MMR, SR, is a Complete Lie to sell the Game

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Overwatch is one of the greatest games I’ve ever played but I cannot come to terms with the ranking system. 50% percent of my games feel falsified. Allow me to explain.

The match maker is almost too specific in match making. The 50/50 chance comes down to, in my personal experience in Overwatch, if a DPS player has a wide range of capabilities(Crowd Control, Hit scan, etc).

Its no mistake that 50% of my game losses are completely out of my control in every aspect imaginable.

I’m not saying I’m a good by any stretch of the imagination. As other player have pointed out I missed a lot of flails. At the end of that game, the score card showed 77% Kill Participation, 17000+ heals, 30-40 Defensive Assists, 1,200-1,800 armor.

Let’s pretend I landed 50% of my flails. Looking at the video and the stats on the score card, every other player, DPS specifically, had a less that 30% hit rate. No amount of support or Tanking will ever make up for that deficit.

How did this happen?

I’ve had this account since Season 3. Its the only account I play on, an have ever played on. The matchmaker is messed up because the player base, values SR more than taking the time to improve.

Because of this culture, the way to climb is to purchase a new account. That will automatically start you in Gold. So you’re either a Bronze player in Gold, or a higher ranked player in Gold.

In order for the match maker to work correctly, you need to provide the match maker feed back by playing the game. This is where the problem, those games are affecting other games, because its the same player with a new account.

That does not bother me. What bother’s me is that Blizzard refuses to implement a time played metric into the match maker.

I understand why they don’t do it because much of their community will stop playing/buying the game.

That’s the painful truth, there is no integrity in SR from top down.

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You think you should be higher ranked because you have a silver border? Maybe you should worry about the fact that brand new players outplay you in enough areas that all your experience doesn’t make you a better player than them.

I also wouldn’t recommend Brig, especially current Brig, in disorganized bronze.

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Why do you create multiple topics with same stuff?

You had the same damn chance to climb like that when your account was new.

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Because when everyone disagrees with him he’d rather start fresh and hope we don’t show up pointing out all the flaws in his theory.

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40/40/20 rule

If you’re at the rank you belong you’ll win 40% of games for free, 40% are unwinnable, and 20% come down to your individual plays. The reason people seem stuck at 50% win rate is that they’re only winning half of the 20%—40 + half of 20 + none of the 40% unwinnable. If you belong the rank higher you’ll win all (or most) of the 20%.

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Why were you constantly attacking the Hog? He is literally the last target on their team you should be flailing. Maybe whip shot if you really can’t hit anything else to proc your inspire, but you’re never going to do anything to him. You use your shield bashes for mobility instead of stuns almost every time, so it’s a wasted ability. Stun a squishy or the WB from the opposite direction to stop him from spinning.

Also flagging this as the 2nd topic today by you on the same thing.

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Hmm I would say that only like 10% is unwinnable. Its not 40%, thats way too high number.

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He’s basing it off of higher gameplay I think. In lower ranks you could abuse the fact that your enemies probably can’t aim very well so perhaps it’s more like 10 or 20. Maybe 25…

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So consider this for a sec bro…

For one, you’re playing open queue and the enemy is running 2/2/2 comp which is more consistent than alternative comps.

Idgaf what OQ players say, I’ll roll meme comps with a solid 2/2/2 all day long.

There are stronger comps but it requires players to be competent at their roles and in your SR range they probably aren’t.

Rather than fighting hog, you should have been focusing on what it would take for your team to win. You have Soldier/Genji/McCree/Moira against mercy/Lúcio/junk/Symm.

Your Genji is very susceptible to Symm. If you’d taken her out of the fight or at least destroyed all her turrets, Genji would be more free to roam.

If you insist on fighting hog as brig, try to get him to waste his ammo strafing left and right.

When he goes to use vape, shield bash him then so he can’t heal himself. Literally all you do as brig is M1 people, you should be doing high damage numbers.

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More of a concept than a rule. Obviously someone could have an uncharacteristically good game on hitscan and win games they’d lose on an average day. GM players also have to exceed 60% win rate to maintain their rank but that’s more about limited player base. A 4.6k player is worlds better than the rest of the 4.1k players in the lobby and probably has the impact that I (a masters player) have in a gold game.

But I think it’s reasonably valid for people diamond and below.

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Nope. Don’t care about rank, I want game that make sense… like most games with a modicum of integrity.

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What doesn’t make sense about it? You’re at the bottom tier rank with bottom tier players. There will be the most skill variance there.

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Based on your comments of MMR/SR being a “lie” I can tell you’re not a deeply technical individual.

The MMR works as intended… SR purely represents your place on the ladder (as far as you’re concerned)…

The failure of integrity is not realizing that, where you are, YOU have the greatest impact and carry ability. If you were Plat/Diamond I might side with you a little more but that’s not the case

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What kind of stupid logic is this? LMAO. That’s the opposite of integrity… Come on man…

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Your complaint is that the solution is to “buy a new account.” But you did buy a new account when you bought Sallard. And it ended up in bronze. Just like your next account will if you buy one without working out your issues.

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I bought one account. The original account… That account has been silverish for a while now. That’s not the point I’m making. I don’t care about rank.

Its that the game feels fake and “forced.”

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I agree that Sr and MMR are things fairly wonky and easy to manipulate. But not for your cited reasons.

In your case, time, is a valid factor imo, based on what we know (I know) MMR to account for of social comparisons.

I think that the calculation is unfair. But I also think it’s the most fair overall.

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The failure is that the games feel forced. That’s the failure. You think I want some virtual currency.

I am actually very technical, I’ve been in IT and Cyber Security for nearly a decade. I know integrity and this game is not it. Notice how half the player have their profiles on private. That’s not integrity. lol.

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Can you try to use a word other than “integrity” please? You’re misusing it.

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Integrity:

the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles

the state of being whole and undivided.

the condition of being unified, unimpaired, or sound in construction.

internal consistency or lack of corruption in electronic data.

The next step would be to discuss transparency. Like I said there’s a reason why more than half the community hides their profiles. Because the game lacks integrity…

This is a known concept in I.T. and Security.

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