Oh my gosh, it’s crazy how the competitive subforum developed into a paranoid echo chamber. Now, it has been spilling out to the general forums.
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There’s no “MMR” in professional scene. If you think you are “elite” player then get yourself into open division.
Its really insane what some people tell themselves to feel better after losing a game of OW.
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This is precisely my point. This is NOT genuine competition. A REAL competition can allow the BEST players to potentially be UNDEFEATED.
Yes it does and I have the account to prove it. If you’re on a massive losing streak, you’ll end up getting placed in a match that is designed to make you win, even if you HARDLY DO ANYTHING. How the hell is this competitive? It isn’t. That’s exactly my point.
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MMR is hidden, if you’re a high border account you’ll go against smurfs more often than not. Smurfs ruin the matchmaker.
It’s way easier to climb on an alt account.
I sort of agree.
I don’t think it would be sensible to have it completely random because a GM and a bronze in the same match would be a bit silly. Just like putting children in a match with NBA players would be silly. That’s why sports have different levels of leagues or competitions.
I think it would be good for the game if instead of trying to find a match with ~50/50 win probability you just randomly got 11 other people from your rank. It would be good for people at the lower end of their rank to play with and against people near the top so that they can improve faster. If you’re at the top of your rank and are sick of playing with lower people, and think you’re good enough, you could do tryouts for the next rank. To stop people intentionally ruining matches by trying out for a rank they’re not ready for maybe you would have to qualify for the tryouts. For example, you have to have played at least X matches in your current rank and have a certain win rate. Or perhaps have a points system where you gain X for a win and Y for a loss and you get to do tryouts when you reach Z points (points reset when you rank up).
Also, having it random within a rank might also reduce queue times as there wouldn’t be the constraint of trying to balance the MMR of the two teams. Of course you’d still want to balance ping etc.
I’m no expert so there’s probably flaws in my suggestions but I think there has to be a better way to do it than we have now.
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Smurfs or not, competition must remain competition.
How do you think rookies that join the NBA feel when they compete against veteran championship players? In REAL COMPETITION, you’ll always be faced with better players than you. Whether you face smurfs or not, it doesn’t matter. Competition must remain genuine competition. MMR within competitive play–regardless of your reasons b/c of smurfs and what not–IS NOT REAL COMPETITION. IT’S FAKE. and therefore is absolutely misleading, fraudulent and complete lie.
You wont always be faced against better players than you when SR is a thing. It’s smurfs that ruin it, they’re in an SR range they shouldn’t be.
Ngl I farm most people in my SR range, it’s smurfs and double shield that make this game unplayable.
Finally. Someone who gets it.
Leave the matchmaking to a player’s SR. I feel like Blizzard couldn’t gird up it’s loins and instead put it’s tail behind it’s legs and catered to the complaints of players playing against smurfs and what not in competitive rank. If players complain in such a way and they can’t climb, there’s a reason for that.
It takes a specific kind of state of mind/mentality to be a high ranking competitor/athlete. If you’re complaining about smurfs and blah blah, you’re right where you belong. The axiom is true for those types of players, “get good”.
As you a rule you should know how the purported rigging even works before dismissing it.
That is not how the rigging works.
I guess you leave now?
Rigging needs to go 100%. MMR has no place in ranked competitive system. Someone on the forums summarized what myself and others have been trying to put into words for so many years. They used good gamer language:
“defend your rank”
SR is all you need for this axiom.
MMR is for rigging and it needs to leave comp.
Which is basically evidence of rigging.
The matchmaker only needs to look at the following:
current region, SR, groupsize.
your data should be private and never collected to rig match outcomes and tamper with natural lobby selection for said rank.
Defend your SR. The only metric they need for real competition.
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I wish all they looked at was SR, MMR is hidden giving you tougher matches than they should be.
I’m talking same SR range, different accounts. I have an alt account that’s 3400, my mains 3200. It was way easier peaking on my alt 3760, mains peak 3600
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Instead of ruining/disciplining Competitive Play because of smurfs, make the consequences of SMURFS more severe. So severe that it’s just NOT WORTH screwing around other people’s competitive matches and getting caught. Besides, severe consequences or not, competitive play is competitive for a reason. Whether you have a thrower, a smurf, a hacker, it doesn’t matter. Compete! The reasons i just listed are MORE than enough to have your fair share of losing games. Don’t let MMR handicap you to LOSE just b/c you’ve been on a winning streak. #RemoveMMRfromcompetitive
And the worst players to never win.
But what would Blizzard or the player base gain out of this?
The game is supposed to be as fun as possible for people at every skill level and using MMR to create close to 50:50 winrate matches while still allowing people to climb when they improve (or drop when their SR is too high) is a good way to ensure this.
I would recommend to you to play in scrims and tournaments instead of ranked - that seems to be a much better fit for your mindset.
YES AND AMEN. Blizzard is truly screwing up an amazing and beautiful game.
MMR ruins the development of pure, unadulterated performance psychology.
Blizzard, you’re doing MORE harm than good with MMR.
Absolutely. NO reason why people at 3400 sr aren’t being randomly put into matches, data-free, to do whatever it takes to win/lose the match against other people around 3400.
As someone coined it: “Defend your SR”. We’ve been trying to say this for years, but in more technical sense that gamers I guess never understood.
SR is all they need for fair system that is unrigged and has faster queues. Ofc there will be more streaks/stomps but the ladder will have more integrity overall. Just show up, play, and convert the win without any data trail to work for/against you.
To think that mercy 1trick is being cherry picked for a lobby because of inclusion and diversity literally shams away the skill-based meritocracy and esports classification.
Also as someone mentioned the streamers are literally whitelisted with aim-assist/resist and easier lobbies. We’ve seen evidence of this posted countless times (feel free to search). It’s a disgrace that they don’t get reset and claim no elo hell exists yet also claim a ladder reset would incite elo hell yet also have their gameplay tailored for pop-off moments that generate views and hype the game.
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Elo hell is 2700, where most smurfs start.
there is also, absolutely an elo hell in bronze rn. as soon as you sweat and dominate 1-2 matches, you go into a smurf queue which is basically plat-equivalent filled with gold/plat alts but also need to dodge tons of throwers etc. And they even have wintrade/boosting in off-hours. A total cess that everywhere with a brain would pull the plug and reset. Reset will fix things for a temp but full solve removes rigging and possibly paywalls alt spam.
I’ve seen those videos on the forums of people botting on 6 accounts to get bronze and sell them, so probably true lol
I mean, yea not top rank, but i prefere entertaining content creator than pro player one. Those are greater than top rankers in games imo.
hate to break it to you, but all sports have rules in place to create fair competition including salary caps and drafting rules.
The NFL tries to rig the system to allow poor performing teams to get first pick in the draft.
They limit salaries so teams like the Cowboys cant just buy up all the top talent and stack the deck.
SR is the same kind of rule trying to even out the competition for your experience.
The only draw back to SR games is that you dont ever get to learn from a better player unless you youtube some.