Mercy Mains | 10 Hard To Swallow Pills 💊

[Xoxin-1445]

That’s not a pill though. It looks like one of those foam toys toddlers play with in the bathtub

Fitting , isn’t it?,

[Oliver-14799]

To be completely honest, I feel like several of these were either made or, or altered from what the community thinks about Mercy mains and are inflammatory in nature. I’ve been part of the community for some time, reading a lot of what’s posted, and I’ve yet to see a real post relating to 3, 4, 5, 7, 9.

Number 1 feels completely dishonest. Many of us believe that Mass Rez was an op ability. I see post after post after post after post from Mercy Mains to bring Mass Rez back. It goes without saying then, that an overwhelming amount of Mercy mains want her to have that OP ultimate again. You say you want Mercy to feel rewarding, but the rest of the community wants their heroes to feel rewarding too. There’s nothing less rewarding than pulling a good 5/6 team kill just for it all to be erased by one ultimate. We can argue the logistics all day, but that one ability made her a must pick. Blizz agreed. It is gone, and it’s not coming back.

Number 10. Going out of order to keep on the same topic. Yes, there have been reverts to Mercy’s kit, but none to do with Mass Rez. Every single “revert Mercy” post I see specifically gets into Mass Rez as a prime topic. Rez is so powerfuly they had to dumb it down multiple times, not just by increasing the CD time, but removing the extra Rez you used to get with Valkyrie, and increasing the casting time. So no, in that sense, they’re never going to “Revert Mercy” back to having mass rez.

Number 2 is a statement we use when we see yet another post about mass Rez. Mercy mains want it back, but it’s never coming back, so Mercy mains will never be happy.

Number 6 is just true.

Spam by definition, is a topic that is posted multiple times by a single user.

And that’s a behavior you exhibit. Just took a look at your profile. Go to your activity and type in the word “Mercy”, you will see 33 results, and that’s just for the stuff that loaded, and not just for replies to this post. I scrolled down, you do spam a lot of Mercy topics. I checked out the topics that you are the OP for, and you have posted 17 topics related to Mercy.

Number 8 was definitely true earlier on in the game. When faced with the fact that Mass Rez was never going to return, it forced a lot of Mercy Mains to finally give it up and be more useful in other ways to their team.

But this is one thing I want to draw attention to:

In fact, before the rework, most Mercy mains who played her at the time were okay with her being a niche pick

That is a lie.
You don’t “main” someone you would also consider a “niche pick”.

[BattleMercy-1705]

That is a lie .
You don’t “main” someone you would also consider a “niche pick”.

Mercy’s pickrate pre-rework also supports Xavy’s claim though.

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𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓜𝓮𝓻𝓬𝔂 𝓘𝓬𝓮 𝓒𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓶 𝓜𝓸𝓿𝓮𝓶𝓮𝓷𝓽

Spreading positivity and ice cream, one Mercy at a time.

[Bui-1491]

Thought you were going to make toward Mercy mains, not people complaining about them.

[RevertMercy-1304]

To be completely honest, I feel like several of these were either made or, or altered from what the community thinks about Mercy mains and are inflammatory in nature. I’ve been part of the community for some time, reading a lot of what’s posted, and I’ve yet to see a real post relating to 3, 4, 5, 7, 9.

You are entitled to your opinion. Every pill was taken from various comments in the forums that were said about Mercy mains in one way or another. I’ve merely reworded some of them a bit as to not risk directly calling those individuals out and to keep their identity anonymous. Searching anything similar to any of these points will bring up various results of the comments said about Mercy mains.

Number 1 feels completely dishonest. Many of us believe that Mass Rez was an op ability. I see post after post after post after post from Mercy Mains to bring Mass Rez back. It goes without saying then, that an overwhelming amount of Mercy mains want her to have that OP ultimate again.

Going to have to stop you right there, since you are giving an opinion that is to be assumed as fact. Where in that OP do I mention mass res? Let’s not put words in my mouth, please. Thanks!

Regardless, what you think about mass rez or how certain numbers “feel” is your opinion. You may think it’s OP, and you may not like it. That is fine, because it is your own opinion. And just like your opinion, other people are entitled to think that it isn’t OP and that they love the ability. And that is also fine, because that is also their opinion. So whatever both sides think about it is subjective.

Further, I would advise that you not generalize Mercy mains, as it weakens your arguments greatly. Not all Mercy mains want mass res, and not all Mercy mains want a revert - period. I feel that this is part of why this thread exists, because people tend to have a natural tendency to discriminate groups of people under one particular stereotype, and is unfortunately, a completely false, and narrow way of thinking in terms of the player-base. So as a suggestion, let’s use “some” Mercy mains, not the unanimous “Mercy mains do / think _____” without the specification.

Side note for clarification sake: If you think that Mass res won’t return, then hey! You are completely entitled to your opinion, and we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Saying that it was “OP” however, is objectively false. From a statistical standpoint, Mercy with mass res was never made “OP.” That is a subjective misconception. The truth is, she was mostly an F-tier hero and niche, and performed so poorly that they had to buff her in order to make her viable. This can be proven with actual facts and data taken before the rework itself, and not just rumors and opinions on what we think about mass res with no proof.

https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-08-11-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-don-t-panic

Other sources prove this to be true as well:

https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-08-25-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-c-u-lan

https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2017-01-17-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-a-hint-of-pharah

http://www.omnicmeta.com/2017/02/pc-competitive-ladder-season-3-report.html

http://www.omnicmeta.com/2017/06/korea-vs-americas-hero-meta-in-season-5.html?m=1

I notice that I constantly have to say this, so I think it’s becoming clear that this too is a common misconception that people aren’t aware of, so from now on, I’ll perhaps just reference this quote in the future as to not need to constantly repeat myself about it.

Number 10. Going out of order to keep on the same topic. Yes, there have been reverts to Mercy’s kit, but none to do with Mass Rez. Every single “revert Mercy” post I see specifically gets into Mass Rez as a prime topic. Rez is so powerfuly they had to dumb it down multiple times, not just by increasing the CD time, but removing the extra Rez you used to get with Valkyrie, and increasing the casting time. So no, in that sense, they’re never going to “Revert Mercy” back to having mass rez.

See above, since you are basically saying the same thing as your previous point. Unfortunately, repeating your opinion still… doesn’t magically make it fact.

Number 2 is a statement we use when we see yet another post about mass Rez. Mercy mains want it back, but it’s never coming back, so Mercy mains will never be happy.

Who is “we”? I believe that is the problem here. This isn’t a “we vs them” discussion. This is being made aware of the common misconceptions about Mercy mains, and understanding them. Once again, you are bringing mass res into a topic that never mentioned it, and once again you are weakening your points with repeating yourself. The OP never mentioned mass rez, so please… Let’s stay on topic, and see above.

Number 6 is just true.

RevertMercy:

Spam by definition, is a topic that is posted multiple times by a single user.

And that’s a behavior you exhibit.

And here comes the personal attacks! Not a smart move there in proving your case… But carry on.

Just took a look at your profile. Go to your activity and type in the word “Mercy”, you will see 33 results, and that’s just for the stuff that loaded, and not just for replies to this post. I scrolled down, you do spam a lot of Mercy topics. I checked out the topics that you are the OP for, and you have posted 17 topics related to Mercy .

Oh I’m sorry, I’m going to have to disagree with you on that. You see, posting Mercy topics in itself isn’t automatically spam. And the fact that they still exist proves it. If you actually read on the creation dates of each topic, you would see that said threads are usually made within weeks of each other, if not months. And all the topics are completely unique from each other. A detail you conveniently left out. Talking about a hero is a vague enough discussion that it doesn’t qualify as “spamming the forums”, no matter how much you may want it to be so.

So sorry! As much as you may dislike it, the facts remain. Posting Mercy topics in and of itself is still completely within the forum guidelines, and saying “All these threads are about Mercy so they’re spam” has been proven to be completely false. But I do appreciate you for having such a passionate interest in me to the point of tracking all of my posts. It’s actually quite flattering. And I intend to make many more threads about my favorite hero in the future.

Number 8 was definitely true earlier on in the game. When faced with the fact that Mass Rez was never going to return, it forced a lot of Mercy Mains to finally give it up and be more useful in other ways to their team.

I’m sorry, but that is your opinion, not backed by fact. Do you have the statistics that show every Mercy mains who “gave up” as well as documented records of each of them that explain in detail “why” they did? Saying that it was due to them “facing the fact that mass rez won’t return”, is your own ideology. Let’s keep it at that and not make assumptions on the motives behind an entire playerbase, or things that were never confirmed. Once again, see above on my first reply to you about mass rez. I don’t feel that it is necessary to keep repeating myself here about it at this point… But thanks for projecting your opinions on the matter! We’ll just have to agree to disagree on it and move on.

That is a lie .
You don’t “main” someone you would also consider a “niche pick”.

Is it? I guess people like symmetra and torbjorn mains, didn’t exist before their reworks then. You do… realize that you can main a niche hero right?

Thought you were going to make toward Mercy mains, not people complaining about them.

I think we have enough threads calling out Mercy mains in general. I figured it’s time to we get something different.

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~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls

[RevertMercy-1304]

Ohhhhhh I see now.
You’ve engineered these “hard pills” to swallow simply because you cannot accept one hard pill.
That’s cute.

Mass rez was over powered and incentive bad gameplay from Mercy players. It is never returning, and you are the prime example of the type of Mercy Main that exhibits spamming behavior and a desire for your hero to be OP, and you try to make excuses to the contrary.

Swallow that pill buddy.
Then Move On

Thanks for sharing your opinions! Your response is highly valued in this discussion. Unfortunately, you seem to be repeating yourself there once more with projecting your opinions about mass res, so I believe we have nothing else constructive to discuss in this conversation. So! Instead of taking part in this back and fourth with you and your own beliefs, I will sadly but humbly put an end to this exchange, while leaving you one last time with my previous post that has already been addressed to you multiple times.

Side note for clarification sake: If you think that Mass res won’t return, then hey! You are completely entitled to your opinion, and we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Saying that it was “OP” however, is objectively false. From a statistical standpoint, Mercy with mass res was never made “OP.” That is a subjective misconception. The truth is, she was mostly an F-tier hero and niche, and performed so poorly that they had to buff her in order to make her viable. This can be proven with actual facts and data taken before the rework itself, and not just rumors and opinions on what we think about mass res with no proof.

https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-08-11-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-don-t-panic

Other sources prove this to be true as well:

https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2016-08-25-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-c-u-lan

https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2017-01-17-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-a-hint-of-pharah

http://www.omnicmeta.com/2017/02/pc-competitive-ladder-season-3-report.html

http://www.omnicmeta.com/2017/06/korea-vs-americas-hero-meta-in-season-5.html?m=1

I notice that I constantly have to say this, so I think it’s becoming clear that this too is a common misconception that people aren’t aware of, so from now on, I’ll perhaps just reference this quote in the future as to not need to constantly repeat myself about it.

In conclusion, I think it’s been made clear that you don’t like mass rez and that I do. We’re going to have to just leave our opinions at that and agree to disagree. Thanks for sharing your opinions though Redomotive! I wish you well in your endeavors, and our talks have been most… Riveting!

Cheers!

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~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls

[WildElements-1760]

In what way, exactly? I’m not sure what you’re implying or for what side.

[Skoomar-1706]

Mercy’s kit design is a mess. Originally she was supposed to be a single-target healing specialist. That made a lot of sense when the only other support were Lucio, Zen, and Sym. Every support hero added to the game after launch has a higher healing-per-second stat than Mercy, and Sym was removed from the support role.

So the single-target healing specialist is the support character with the fifth slowest single target healing… doesn’t make a lot of sense. So why not buff Mercy’s healing? Well, mercy’s heal beam doesn’t have a high skill-ceiling, so if she has the highest healing then mains for other support heroes like Ana will complain. If we changed Mercy’s beam to be more aim-based, that would make Mercy less unique. We don’t need Mercy to be an Ana clone.

The other part of her kit is the exclusive ability to revive fallen allies. Balancing around this is extremely difficult. Mass rez was risk vs reward, but of course reviving all allies to full health with some invincibility frames actually rewarded people for dying in group so unhealthy strategies formed. Rez on cooldown is just boring, gets easily cancelled, and no one really considers it fun.

One way to balance rez is to bring back mass rez, but make it so the more heroes she revives at once the less portion of health each of those revived heroes spawns with. This keeps mass rez risk v reward without making it able to swing games so easily. Since we nerfed the reward we should also nerf the risk a bit, let’s say Mercy applies a self-healing effect to herself during and a bit after her mass rez cast.

[Kusarin-2153]

If any playerbase of a hero was given a rework that they didn’t ask for and was forced to re-learn

shes the same hero

if u dont like not having mass rez u can pick other heroes

[MetalBeast-11800]

Go play TF2 if you want to feel useful