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@ElobaCarcen-2521

Yeah, but it was too rewarding, let’s be honest.

That’s your opinion. Honestly, I found it balanced, albeit in need of a few tweaks.

@ElobaCarcen-2521

I would argue, that if Jeff was honest, it was more along the lines of “it was wrong for Mercy to tell the 2nd healer to stop healing, and the team to group up and die, so that she can try and mass res”

It’s a shooter game. It’s counter intuitive for players to not try and kill each other, and instead to group up and lift hands from the mouse and keyboard to die.
That’s why they changed it. But I am sure, that you would dismiss that as a “subjective opinion” or something along those lines.

I would, simply because Overwatch isn’t just a shooter. There are many elements of this game that aren’t traditionally found in shooters. So I wouldn’t agree with the statement of “this doesn’t belong in this game” in the world where rolling hamsters, gorilla scientists with tesla cannons, and cybernetic “street fighters” exist.

@ElobaCarcen-2521

No. I am happy to agree, that there is some truth to what you’re saying.

Also, I am happy to add another thing to the mix. You know how they refer to Rein as an anker tank? I would argue, that Mercy was what I would call an anker healer with her whole mass res thing. She had the incredible ability to make people group up, even if she wasn’t there.
It was positive for me as a 2nd healer in the sense, that it was easier to see my team and to pull of a good Tranquility.
However, this doesn’t change the negative aspects. In many cases, I would be healing alone and I would be left alone vs flankers, because Mercy was hiding.

I agree with her being referred to an anker healer, I think that’s a good way to put it. While I do understand how one would see those negative aspects of “hiding”, I’m not sure if I’m on board with that conceptually. I say this because at the end of the day, Mercy mains still need to hide in order to rez successfully, with the only difference being that it’s now every 30 seconds as opposed to one big event. The timing may be different, but the basic mechanics are still very much there. There are many other heroes that hide in order to ult as well, even to this day. So I don’t see Mercy as a special case in this instance. I think “Hide and Ulting” in general is a bad practice that everyone who mains any hero has been responsible for at one time or another, and that includes Mercy mains, so in hindsight, those were very much “if case” scenarios.

@ElobaCarcen-2521

How would you have tweaked mass res? How would it still do what it does, but also eliminate the “hide & res”?

I’d rather not this thread be a discussion solely on mass rez, since this is specifically talking about Mercy mains and the common misconceptions, but since you’ve also asked how I would solve the “hide and res issue”, I’ll give my opinion on what I would have done to mitigate it. Note how I say “mitigate” here, because no matter what anyone does in this game, “hide and ulting” happens no matter what hero you play. It’s not exclusive to Mercy and is a strategy many people use (though not a very good one imo). These changes would have the goal of making it harder for Mercy mains to do when ressing specifically.

In my opinion, there are multiple ways. One way it can be fixed is by simply giving her something similar to the checks her E move res has now, with a few QoL tweaks. A Line of Sight (similar to now), 30% damage reduction instead of invincibility (instead of what she had back then) but cancelled when hit by CC (like now), a small 1.25s cast time (Instead of a 1.75 cast she has currently), and the same AOE she’s had before with perhaps a 5-10m decrease in range (giving her the distance she needs to rez multiple people, but still has to be close enough to the souls for her to be countered.

I believe the issue with Mercy’s mass rez back then was both the instant cast and the lack of line of sight. Those two issues, coupled with her lacking any defensive capabilities to focus fire while going for the res, promoted gameplay that was more defensive rather than offensive. I think the devs saw this when they gave her the invincibility on her res, which helped solve the “hiding” part. However since it was instant, it didn’t address the issue a lot of people had with having to stop it proactively instead of reactively. That’s where the cast time comes in. Giving people a chance to stop it. To compensate for that, Mercy will have 30% damage reduction, which will keep her vulnerable to being killed by focus fire and burst damage at close range, but still enough to not be completely obliterated by mere poke damage.

Since, you could already cancel her rez now with a stun or other CC, I think this would be a fair compromise. I think Mercy should have the ability to cancel her ult as well to give them a chance to escape in an emergency. Rebuilding that ult again and risk staggering would be the cost of the possibility of running away alive, and it would be a great way to punish bad Mercy players who try to go for ballsy resses, only to realize that it was a mistake, cancel it, try to run, and getting killed - this wasted time would act as a stagger, kind of similar to how D.va’s demech mechanic burns respawn time when they decide to overextend.

LoS is self-explanatory. She won’t be able to rez through walls, floors or ceilings etc. which will force her to be more engaged in the fight, and a middle ground between a smaller AOE range than what she had previously and a larger range than she has now would also be something I think would help curb this behavior, to compensate for more risk associated with bringing back more souls.

There’s many other suggestions from other people as well that have something similar to this concept (Titanium’s kit is another popular solution) or something like giving her res charges that she would need to earn through healing / dmg boosting etc. that are exclusively used only when she ults. I make similar suggestions in my other thread here as well:

Mercy 1.30 | Good Progress! But Misses The Mark

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All in all, I think it would be beneficial to have something that would encourage mercy players to engage in the battle rather than sit idly and wait for the ult. Those are just some of my thoughts on the many ways that Mass res could have been tweaked to prevent “hide n’ res” behavior while still making her impactful, fun, and engaging to play.

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