Mercy is not your money

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Stop using analogies such as “what if someone gave you 63736 dollars and took 40 dollars but only gave you 5 back ;<<<“
Mercy is not money that you own. We are playing the same game. You do not have more of a say in the discussion of mercies balance than someone who has played 10 hours on mercy.

Remember when everyone says “level does not equal game knowledge”?
same concept applies to mercy. Just because you have 738758 hours does not mean that your contribution matters more. Yes, within reasonable doubt, you wouldnt be listening to someone with 2 seconds on mercy regarding her balance- but when the discussion is about how FUN she is- your 800 hours do not mean anything. I could make a convincing arguement that i have 300 hours playing while mercy was meta - that was unfun for me - therefore mercy should not get any buffs. When you are talking about balance, yeah, experience matters, but when you are talking about an abstract concept such as “”fun factor”” everyones opinion is equally valid.

ps. Mass res isnt the solution and blizzard isnt gonna reimplement that. I used to think that mass res would make bad ult economy shine and not force anyone to improve. But heres the thing… the counter to bad ult economy… is having better ult economy. You dont need mass res as a crutch. Say one team uses 6 ults on the other. Terrible idea, right? But then mercy mass res’s. They just traded 6 for 1. Your team is way ahead in ult economy- FOR HAVING A MERCY. Not by merit of skill or communication- because you got one (1) mass res off.

pps. Dont say that hide and ressing wasnt a thing. Remember! Blizzard could see stats… and if they said that hide and ressing was dominant… they were correct…

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That analogy seems oddly specific. I don’t feel it’s a popular one amongst Mercy mains though.

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With the same logic some Mercy mains have to tell this buff as “not a buff” I can safely say McCree has never been buffed since his original version could FTH kill everyone. :man_shrugging:

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I’ve seen similar analogies ever since the “revert/buff” lol I think one of em used pizza or pie or somethin instead

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mercy never even got nerfed in the first place she had 50 hps before its a common misconception that mercy gets nerfs just reverts

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I have seen it constantly the past couple of days, likely because they saw it in a YT video and decided to parrot it wholesale.

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Okay then here’s a better analogy:
You and 27 others are at a library connected to public wifi, you all come there every month. Many many others are slowly getting their wifi bandwidth upload/download speeds increased each month.

A few get their bandwidth slightly lowered because they were using it too often. But you get yours decreased every single month for the last year or so. Often times they remove you from the wifi alltogether and create a new network connection just for you that’s crappier and set up worse than the previous one.

The most recent visit to the library, they decrease your download speed from 60MB/s to 50MB/s. You’re obviously upset but not surprised because it’s pretty clear by now you are utterly hated by whoever’s running the library. Two weeks pass and they decide to give you back the 60MB/s but only when you are on a really productive working spree online and in short bursts.

People are surprised when you are not overjoyed at this ‘gift’ of 60mb/s when in reality you’ve had it all along until now, (except your first few months at the library when there was no other people with that speed)

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its common in the form
“Say you have x things and someone takes y things and gives you back less than y things. How would you feel?”
doesnt tackle the fact that y things were taken away from you for good reason…

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Thats. Not bad of an analogy actually.

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Huh, guess I’m out of the loop. I’ll admit I haven’t really been keeping track of the subject too closely. I’ll usually just read the OP in Mercy threads, scroll to the bottom and see 2 people at each other’s throats and then click off.

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A key part missing from the analogy is that your internet speed was reduced because your ISP throttled you for using so much bandwidth that your neighbours were literally not able to use the internet.

Once they throttled you, everyone else stopped complaining of outages, so they gave you some of your old bandwidth back. But you can’t torrent terabytes worth of stuff anymore so you complain.

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You seem confused about how analogies are supposed to work…

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Analogies along these lines are being used a lot.

Just replace ‘‘money’’ with literally anything else ,for example :

“imagine you had 9 pizza slices ,someone took them all and gave you back 3”

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I like this analogy. Its much better. But still misleading. Ill hit you with an analogy. You have a game right… and there are 28 heroes. Theres a class of heroes with 6 in it. But one of them is reigning supreme. So, to appease 99% of your playerbase, you tone her down, slowly over the course of one year, as to not aggravate the 1% incase you make her too bad too quickly. One day, after some changes… she isnt the best anymore. But this isnt good enough. People are rioting. Fires are burning. The children, crying. So, you decide, that if the ideal state is between the current iteration and the previous one. You do all this slowly, to make sure you dont do anything drastic and that you can hit the sweet spot, because thats how you balance a ******* game

Edit: seriously though. If they went from four res valk or whatever to 1 res 30 second cooldown with 1.75 sec stun, how mad wouldve people been? Everyone wouldve though they gutted her hard. Number of changed dont matter.

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And this entire thread is completely pointless…

There are many Mercy players who are unhappy and they are not going to stop being unhappy, because if they are not having fun playing Mercy now they will never have fun playing Mercy again. Blizzard is not going to make any changes beyond tweaking numbers for balance at this point. Any discussion about significant changes to Mercy is pointless. Any discussion complaining about Mercy players complaining is pointless… The majority of this entire forum is pointless!

Pointless or not, however, people like doing pointless things are not going to stop just because you are salty about it!

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Except what happened was not that we made Mercy OP, unlike the example in which we use more bandwidth than our share, and then negativelly affect others because of our actions.

We did not ask for this, nor was it our fault.
And as such we shouldn’t be punished for someone else’s mistakes.

We should not have to tolerate her being in her current state because of how good she was before, because we weren’t the ones at fault here.

Make us forcefully choke on ridiculous amounts of food then significantly reduce the amount so that we almost starve for a few months. But we deserve it because we ate so much before, right? Even though we didn’t want to.

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And you had been hogging 90% of the total bandwidth for a year.

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Yeah this analogy is very poor. I like to use toys for it.

Imagine Mercy has 6 toys and is a single child. It’s unfair if you take away all but one and give her least favourite back after a week.

Now imagine Mercy has 6 toys and she has 5 siblings. Each sibling has not a single toy at all, they constantly cry because Mercy gets to play while they cannot. Now you take all toys from Mercy away and give every one of her siblings 1 toy to play with, so they can also enjoy some playtime. Obviously it’s unfair towards Mercy, but fair towards the siblings. Mercy has to learn that she’s not the only one allowed to play at all times, so she has to sit back for a week. Then, you give her 1 toy back. It might not be her favourite, but at least she has a toy to play with now. Now everyone can play.

Balance.

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I can see that as a good way to put it.

Though I’d still be thankful that I got 60MB/s back sometimes, it’s something. Sure I’d be bitter that I didn’t get it all back, but I’m not going to tell everyone how frustrated I am and say it means nothing.

Using the same analogy, sometimes I use a laptop that doesn’t run very well in the library. I don’t complain about it though I wish something would change. But it won’t because everyone else in library hates my laptop. I’ve got it changed on occasion for a newer model but everyone still hates it or doesn’t understand that it can’t run the most recent software, blaming me for not updating despite the fact it’s simply not strong enough. It gets to the point where others using the same laptop take insults from the other patrons as badges of honour and seclude themselves in their own little corner because no-one wants to see their laptop. I worry about that sometimes. But I love that laptop, and I won’t stop using it even if everyone hates me for it.