McCree as the top dog DPS

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I won’t talk about McCree’s balance, since it seems the forum already call for his nerfs and no argument can change their mind otherwise.

But let talk about the merit of having McCree as one of the top dog. Playing against McCree means your Supports don’t have to worry much about getting flanked and picked off out of nowhere while healing the team.

Let say Cree vs Zen, Ana, or Bap. All 3 have better damage fall off than him, so they don’t have to play in his effective range and can even fight him, those match ups are all skill match up and not one sided at all. The rest of the healers can play outside of his LOS, don’t have to worry about getting insta gibbed as soon as they turn around the corner with no time to react like against Widow or Hanzo. So, Is there any Support mains that actually complain about fighting Cree? And why?

Now let talk about Tank class. Who scare you more? A Hanzo, a Widow who set up somewhere that you can’t reach; a Pharah, an Echo who always fly above your head; a Junk who can even spam you from outside of your LOS; or that cowboy who s most of the time gonna be on the same ground as you, playing close to you within hook range, Zarya’s beam? He can spam fan the hammer on you and your shields yes, but it also means he has no follow up to shoot you with. So is there any Tank players who complain about Cree? Do you prefer fighting against Mei or the likes, rather than the cowboy? Why?

Most long ranged squishies dont have to worry about being spammed by him (if he can spam 2, 3 headshots back to back, I don’t think it’s called spam anymore.) So most likely the ones who would complain about playing against him would be flankers who have to fight in close range. But Tracer or Genji players have always been able to outplay flashbang, so is there any Tracer/Genji mains would complain about Cree’s combo? About Doom, I would be a bit biased here but he get 3 CCs, he doesn’t get to complain about Cree.

So tell me, is there any other hero that you prefer to be the top dog aside from Cree? Soldier maybe. But once Soldier starts seeing plays and constantly killing thing, I suspect the forum will come back here and cry some more as well.

TL;DR: McCree maybe strong, and can get more values than other DPS, but is he really so oppressive that you can’t play what you want against him?

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I agree that McCree is one of the healthier heroes to go up against. His range feels in line with most tanks and healers and his ult can be dealt with by proper positoning.

However i do think his stun+FTH is abit to forgiving combo for close range duels. Either rework the stun into a proper flashbang making the target of it temporary blind for the same duration or make his recovery time from it longer so he himself can no longer kill the target during the stun but rather have to rely on his team for help. That way it is less foolproof to kill squishiys, promotes more teamplay and can still be used for utility.

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Honestly if stun can be used as a pseudo hack it would be fine too, like it doesn’t have to root or stun a target for any duration, just to disrupt their channeling abilities. Or if we are being generous, make the target unable to use abilities for a second or two.

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That cowboy because he can fan roll fan combo to instantly delete shields and health of a tank, once the shield is down 1 FB and the tank is dead.

He got as many stuns as a cree tho. Just 1 difference is crees stun is long af, while dooms stun is quite small.

The other 2 are just boops.

Not to mention to execute all of this doom endangers his life unlike cree.

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To fan roll fan a shield Tank, Cree would have to be right next to them. Ability for ability, Orisa or Sigma would delete him right there. And even if they somehow don’t shoot the Cree, that combo might chew through the barrier, but certainly it won’t chew through both barrier and the Tank healthpool, most Tanks can delete Cree while he s busy reloading for the third fan, or 4th.

I’m talking about CC, not stun. And Cree’s 1 single CC is on a long cooldown, while Doom’s CC can rotate almost non-stop every few seconds. Cree’s combo also endangers his life unless the enemy jumps him in the middle of his team. I find myself using primary fire all the time and just occasional combo here and there. And to be honest, Cree’s kit has always been weak, everyone knows that. If you swap his kit with any other DPS, he would be the second coming of OG.Brig.

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McCree is fine but I wish they could decide to either make him more focused on midrange or up close. He can duel most other midrange characters easily, but then also just instantly deletes people point blank.

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As a Support main, I couldn’t agree more.

This is the first time a One-Shot hero hasnt been meta in what feels like literally forever.

Why yall complain about McCree of all Dps straight up baffles me. I can’t even understand.
You’d rather play against Widow? Hanzo? Tracer? Doomfist? Echo???

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Tracer and Genji have always been running around Cree before the release of Brig, they farmed him back then.

What makes him so scary close range right now is because there’s still too much sustain or peel from the support side. So much so that Cree can miss flashbang and can even still survive until it’s off cooldown.

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That’s just lies. You can easily be in mid range, you dont have to be in short range to burst down shields as FTH.

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I would rather have Junkrat or Sombra top dog just to see what that is like.

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By that logic the best dps should always be symmetra. All of her moves are telegraphed and allow counterplay. She has a strict effective range and if you die by symm you’ve clearly made a mistake

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Doesnt fan the hammer have a very harsh drop off? If you think it’s too safe to fan from mid range, then fine, nerf it to 10 meter, or even 5.

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Sombra as top dog. Yeah I think I’d rather log out of the game.

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We had Jakerat once. Outlaws was even the second best OWL team with Junkrat as top dog.

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It really is just a myth. You can go see for yourself, I too believed it had to be very close, but you can easily be in 2 tracer blink distance to destroy shield as cree using FTH.

Yes the drop off is harsh but up to mid range it’s not.

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Current dps balance is perfect imo. All the cc heroes which making tanking miserable are trash, Sombra, Doomfist, and Mei. I like Sombra but I recognize how much everyone hates her :rofl:. Sniper heroes who make support miserable are kinda meh like Hanzo and Widow. The best heroes rn are Tracer, McCree, Ashe and Echo. These heroes are healthiest for the game imo. And anyone who doubts that has to ask what dps they want to be on top? If you’re a tank do you want Mei or doom to be best where you can’t even play the game? If you’re a support do you want Hanzo and Widow to be best where you have to constantly hide behind corners too afraid to peak?

Face it. The dps heroes who are on top now make the game more fun and enjoyable for everyone.

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Then nerf it. It shouldnt be that good against shield from mid range.

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Wish I could have seen that honestly.

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It’s not. Not at all.

It’s one of the worst dps balance states ever right now.

You either pick Mccree tracer Ashe echo widow hanzo or lose.

The current power level gap between the top 6 heroes and the rest of the dps is super big right now.

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I’m sure they still have replays somewhere. It was downright oppressive as the best players in the game couldn’t even shoot down the tire that came every 15, 20 seconds.

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