I just gotta vent and hope other people are having the same issue but what the HELL is wrong with the match maker lately? It’s always been bad but this season since rank reset, I am getting plat boosted accounts in diamond/masters who cannot control their hero or know what peeling is in my games. They cant aim, they are literally plat elo and trolling and have the hugest ego I ever did see. I can kill 3 as sojourn and my tank just stands main looking at the payload completely clueless to what Space is. I am infuriated at the state of this and how OW devs seem to think engagement is more important than match quality. Yeah lets boost these plat players so they think they are diamond and that will make them play more, they make a large percentile of our playerbase so engageemnt = money!! No. This will kill your game. These players cannot keep up in the higher elo and it shows - I had a plat 3 reaper earlier who is somehow diamond 2 right now go 5 12, with 2.8K damage in a 10 minute flashpoint game. How does that make any sense whatsoever? I had 26 kills 3 deaths 8.9k damage. Its just unreal - I really hope they fix this as its been some time since the rank reset and I think game quality is the same if not worse. Fix your game.
THat is just players sucking. Nothing to do with the match maker.
That is literally what the matchmaker needs to account for. If people suck on the regular, that means they should not be placed with higher tier players.
If you can figure out a numerical system that accurately predicts form, fatigue, illness, mental state and all the other things that can impact performance… You’re smarter than pretty much everyone else.
That already happens. They lose more often.
for real though, just absolute insanity from the matchmaker right now. I literally had a Cass go 80-2 yesterday. He was so much better than everyone else in the match it was stupid. I keep seeing games like this.
Ignore nemesis, he has all 10 toes of each dev jammed in his mouth.
A team based game that only measures skill by wins and losses are problematic, no one knows how they work, just like the devs want.
It measures your ability to win games.
When there are so many different skill types and play styles with heroes, when that probably is the simplest way of separating people.
How else do you determine who the more skilled player is between a Rein player, a Widow and a Moira. Stats could only tell you theoretically if the Rein player compares, match by match, to other Rein players. Which isn’t really useful to anyone.
Surely the best way to the the ladder in that situation is purely on winning and who you beat.
How would it measure your ability to win games…
accuracy, timing, assists, interrupts even counter swapping should be a factor.
Determining someone’s skill by probability and placing that same person with 9 other people who are also determined by probability leads to skewed match’s. i.e. wins and loss streaks.
This system pretty eliminates the need to smurf.
By that one important stat. Winning the game.
Stats don’t win games.
hahaha that contradicts your determination of the matchmaker.
“The matchmaker measures your ability to win games.”
Then you said “It measures the one important stat, winning the game”.
One is a measure of skill the other is an outcome.
Either you are paid to linger in these forums to try deter the clear failure, greed and/or lack of care the devs have for this game, or you are just here to try and troll anyone that’s frustrated with the current system.
Your arguments make no sense and only merit your arguments have are from a dev saying the matchmaker puts 10 players together and predicts that one team of 5 has a 55% chance of winning over the other team of 5 and the system is correct a higher percentage of the time.
He has literally said a lot about the matchmaker but nothing at the same time in that one interview.
The system contradicted itself as a “Competitive Matchmaker”.
I think you’re fishing for a conflict there. They are both the same thing.
Winning matches.
There’s nothing wrong with being frustrated by it. It’s channelling that frustration in to weird theories that is wasting peoples time that’s wrong.
The system isn’t good, it isn’t bad either. However it is exactly the same for everyone. So the only factor that matters is you, and your actions across hundreds and and thousands of matches. So you either get good at winning, or struggle.
It’s not that difficult.
I am questioning your poor explanation of how the the matchmaker works, not fishing for conflict.
Measuring ones ability to win in a team sport will include many factors.
Winning being the only factor would possibly be Ideal for 1v1 games. Everyone within a 1v1 match are only affected by their actions and their opponents actions/reactions.
It is clearly difficult, since you struggle to explain how it works.
Even your last sentence makes no sense, a matchmaker that is not good, is bad, it cant be both, Unless you are measuring the matchmaker on many different factors, which once again contradicts your initial explanation of how it works.
My theories are just observations that I question because what is currently implemented does not represent a legitimate well thought out competitive matchmaker.
Like the Dev explaining the prediction method when assembling 2 teams, and your explanation that winning is the only thing being measured. While what is known publicly about the system is very little. This still leaves us with questions as to why the streaks occur or why people are bounced from Diamond 1 to silver 2 after one reset.
What I said wasn’t about how the match maker works. Just that your MMR/rank is judged on your ability to win games.
You added match maker in. That measures nothing. It just puts people together based on a number.
You literally said otherwise in the post before mine.
Either your reading comprehension is compromised or you are dense as Fudge.
What you said in this post is also questionable, Playing with a friend - #32 by SkullBuzz-11855.
You interpret things how your want to blindly argue.
you got a disease champ.
OMG!!! YOU EDITED MATCHMAKER OUT OF YOUR POSTS!!!
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
CRINGE man thats some basement dweller stuff hahahahah
Its called eomm all modern pvp except 1v1 fighting games use this. Type in your W/L ratio into chatgpt. It will tell you when your gona win and lose and its pretty accurate.
I didn’t. I edited a typo. The phrase “match maker” was never in that post. I’ve only said it once in this thread in my initial reply to the OP.
No in any other post you referenced because it isn’t relevant.
It was always about how MMR is a representation of your ability to win games.
Probably best not to tilt and name call.
Look at the title of the discussion buddy, and your initial comment with TiderLaw. Along with my reply to TiderLaw which you then replied to, this whole conversation was based around how the matchmaker assembles teams, which you said it measures “your ability to win match’s”.
Admit defeat champ, your goose is cooked.
Oh and this little quote
That’s my only mention of it
The you said , so I replied with …
You brought up measuring skill, so I explained what it measures. As in what your MMR represents.
You turned this away from match making. Not me.
You also started your engagement with unnecessarily calling someone out with baseless toxicity.
Your back tracking is terrible, many comments i made about the matchmaking, you replied to with out an issue or confusion between MMR or the Matchmaker, especially about how the matchmaker creates teams based on win probability.
I said this can not determine ones skill as its a team based game, many factors need to be taken into account when determining ones skill to place them with others for a fairer match.
It wasn’t until I said I wasn’t making up theories out of frustration, “Which you accused me of” and I said I only question things I observe that don’t make sense.
Like the devs explanation of how the matchmaker assembles teams by probability “which was mentioned prior to that comment in this same thread” and your explanation of how the matchmaker works which you also referred to when you said “it measures your ability to win and also winning games”, you literally quoted this specifically and replied to that comment referring to the matchmaker as the same thing.
Its only now you feel backed into a corner, you all of a sudden have woken up and acted bamboozled like I never mentioned matchmakers once or it being the actual title, and core subject of this thread.