Mass rez wasn't overpowered

[bunny-13243]

Yeah that’s a no. Mercy was an all around great support without her ult. Now what is she?

[ȆŽƇĿǺP-1706]

Mercy was an all around great support without her ult.

No utility whatsoever, damage boost is not better than speed boost, discord, nade, sleep etc. only heals which is pointless because you could just pick other healers who bring more value/utility

[bunny-13243]

Mercy brought survivability and heals before Moira came in

[ȆŽƇĿǺP-1706]

survivability

Isn’t utility, any support can survive with good positioning, All the healers bring healing

[Nippys-11246]

It was completely stupid and would be even more completely stupid now

If you understood why scatter shot was removed then you can understand why mass rez died too

[BattleMercy-1705]

@anon63781830

It was temporary until she rez and bring it back to 6-6

And like I said, with the resources you’ve preserved, plus the other advantages by being the team against the hiding Mercy, them being ressed back again suddenly means nothing.

@anon63781830

all what mercy team have to do is to rush the other team and bait them to use ults or kill one of them before their mercy revive them and the battle become 6-5 with mercy team are full health and have their ult.

If you get “baited” or get killed in a 6v5 against a team with a hiding main healer, you are incompetent. That, I’ve already addresed.

@anon63781830

become 6-5 with mercy team are full health and have their ult.

The strategy sure is good! When the enemy is incompetent.

@ȆŽƇĿǺP-1706

Negative because mercy was the only hero where all of her power was in her ult, consistent and reliable heals? Just pick Ana she does that and more.

Ana, unlike Mercy doesn’t have the power to revive people and you acknowledging this means you’ve undermined your argument that she has no value outside of her ultimate. Consistent and reliable heals is value. And whilst we’re on the topic, Ana doesn’t have consistent or reliable heals like Mercy’s as Ana requires huge amounts of mechanical skill whereas Mercy has lock-on heals.

@ȆŽƇĿǺP-1706

Mercy brought nothing to the table except Rez.

What you said previously contradicts this.

@ȆŽƇĿǺP-1706

It doesn’t set up any team wipes when the heavy hitter ults have already been used (grav, dragon blade etc)

Against a team of 5 without a main healer? Sounds like incompetence which I’ve already covered.

@ȆŽƇĿǺP-1706

It wasn’t “not so good” mercy players who hid, it was all mercy players.

Objectively false and now you’re just being hyperbolic. To be frank, I didn’t even know such a strategy existed until her rework was announced.

@ȆŽƇĿǺP-1706

Hiding for Rez was literally how you played mercy,

Objectively false again. Tempo ressing is objectively better.

@ȆŽƇĿǺP-1706

, if you didn’t hide for Rez you were playing her wrong and most likely would die with Rez every time

Did you even read this?

@Titanium-1686

Moving onto “Hide and rez” …

“We think it’s wrong to tell a main-healing character to go off and hide somewhere and stop healing for some period of time.”

But it is fine for a main-damage character to go off and hide somewhere and stop dealing damage for some period of time, like many heroes currently do in preparation for an ultimate?

In actuality, you are right; just not for the reason you think you are. You are correct because hiding was maladaptive for the team’s chance of victory, and therefore was a bad way to play her. Allow me to explain this in an even more elaborate manner than my past few megaposts.

The success of a mass-Resurrection (4+ revived players) depended upon several factors:

• The Mercy’s ability to survive and execute the ability in the first place (the obvious one).
• The number of players alive on each team after the Resurrection.
• The number of available ultimates held by each team after the Resurrection (but primarily the enemy team).
• The shock value of Resurrect against the enemy (by far the most important factor for the post-rez fight).

The last factor is more important than the other two post-rez factors because it determines what other factors need to advantage the Mercy in order to have a good chance at a successful Resurrection. As the enemy team is given time to reorganize and fire their first attacks at the newly Resurrected team, they would already have a positioning advantage and the first shot… that is, if the team was expecting the Resurrection.

If the enemy team is expecting the Resurrection, they will have the post-rez advantages of the first shot and additional positioning time. Of course, this is a very bad situation to be in for the newly revived team, requiring some very strong advantages of their own to compensate and have a chance at winning the fight. In this case, they would need both the numbers advantage and the ultimate ability advantage.

If the enemy team isn’t expecting the Resurrection, then the Mercy could probably get by with either the numbers advantage or the ultimate advantage and still have a chance at winning, as the enemy team might not capitalize on their positioning and first shot opportunities as well as they should due to the shock value of Resurrect.

How does “Hide and rez” fit into all of this, you might ask? Hiding before the fight removes the possibility of having enough of those advantages against the enemy team in the post-rez fight, and therefore any chance of a victorious post-rez fight against any team of similar skill.

Hiding leaves the initial fight to a 5v6, the missing hero on the Mercy’s team being the main healer and primary source of sustain. Obviously, this is a huge advantage for the team of 6 in the first fight, allowing them to steamroll over Mercy’s team with likely zero casualties, and ultimate expenditures used only to counter any of the opposition’s ultimates. On top of this, the team of 6 also now collectively has 2000-3000 more ultimate charge from killing 5 players in addition to any healing dealt over the duration of that fight. Thus, it hands the ultimate ability advantage to the team opposing the Mercy.

The opposing team, assuming they are paying even the slightest attention to what is happening around them, would notice that the enemy is crumbling very easily for a supposed 6v6, raising suspicions as to whether or not the fight really is a 6v6, quickly leading to the realization that the enemy Mercy is missing from the fight. From this, only one conclusion could logically be drawn; she’s waiting to use Resurrect. There goes the ultimate’s shock value.

At this point, even if the team of 6 somehow managed to sustain 2 casualties in the initial fight, it won’t matter. If both teams entered the fight with the same number of ultimates, the team that does not have the hiding Mercy has at least two more ultimates than the other team (2000+ ultimate charge, Mercy’s team used Resurrect). One or two offensive ultimates is the absolute maximum a team needs to wipe a freshly-revived team when they are expecting the Resurrection, resulting in the revived team staring down the barrel of a gun they have no chance of avoiding.

In contrast, a Mercy who stays with her team keeps the fight at a 6v6, granting her team more sustain and forcing the enemy to expend ultimates to overpower them. Once the ultimates started firing, the mercy would distance themselves from the fight, evade, or take cover, laying down pistol fire or amplifying damage rather than attempting to heal those for whom healing would be useless. As a result, the enemy was less likely to realize that Mercy has Resurrect (the enemy was comparatively difficult to kill, removing the prompt to think about why they were crumbling easily in the first place), Mercy’s team was more likely to pick off a few enemies, and Mercy has successfully baited more ultimates from the enemy team. As a result, her team has more advantages and fewer disadvantages in the post-rez fight.

The only cost to staying with the team was an increased chance of being picked off before being able to revive the team, which just follows the same risk choice explained in the Resurrect section; if taking more controllable risks now helps to mitigate the high risk later, then taking those smaller risks now is safer than not in the long run.

Consequently, reviving a team after hiding typically resulted in a second wipe, while staying with the team until it was unsafe to do so was more likely to yield favorable results. That is why it was “wrong to tell a main-healing character to go off and hide somewhere” . It was a bad tactic, as it usually backfired.

Rather than letting the issue resolve itself by fixing the SR exploit that ultimately led to the tactic’s rise in the first place, the developers decided to remove Resurrect as an ultimate entirely. They changed the thing that wasn’t the problem, and ended up pissing off the playerbase.

Sound familiar?

Ignoring proof that doesn’t support your claim and only opting to acknowledge things that you think prove your claim is not an efficient and good way to argue.

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Spreading positivity and ice cream, one Mercy at a time.

[Crestren-1121]

A weird spot where shes a main healer and an off healer at the same time.

If you look at overbuff, among the 3, Mercy, Ana and Moira, shes the 3rd or last to be picked from gold onwards. GOLD. You dont pick a main healer for their utility, you pick them for their healing hench why Moira and Ana is picked more. Her healing among the 3, is the lowest.

Her only utility she has is damage boost and rez (which is situational and not completely reliable in mid fights), which is why Diamond and above, shes the last to be picked since the off-healers (Zen, Brigitte and Lucio) provide utility that is more reliable and an actual ult thats impactful.

[Bui-1491]

Historical revisionism. Another thread attempting to change the narrative.

[Kiwi-22795]

Just kill the Mercy LUL

We’ve been doing it wrong all this time… I mean if it’s that easy and mass-rez is counterable then by that logic I don’t want it back you’ve proven that it’s a weak underpowered ultimate that will make Mercy a troll pick we don’t want that, keep Valk.

[Hypersonicy-1720]

It definitely was OP. Way too much value for literally pressing a button.

[BattleMercy-1705]

It definitely was OP. Way too much value for literally pressing a button.

Numerical value isn’t maximum value.

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Spreading positivity and ice cream, one Mercy at a time.

[bunny-13243]

Nope, are you saying that Widowmaker and Hanzo are weak? Because that’s their only real counter

[ȆŽƇĿǺP-1706]

Nothing there is “objectively false.” And even if it was (which it’s not) I could just as easily say “objectively false” for everything you said. Objective = “representing facts” of which you have none.

[Kiwi-22795]

That isn’t their only counter? huh? You don’t have to kill the widow to counter her.

[bunny-13243]

You people are the ones who gutted a completely fine hero

[Crestren-1121]

No what are you talking about. Mercy 2.0 was way better.

Not like she became a must pick or anything.

shoves the amount of nerfs to the corner for it to be balanced

[BattleMercy-1705]

Nothing there is “objectively false.” And if it was I could just as easily say “objectively false” for everything you said

Claiming that all Mercy player’s used “Hide n Res” is objectively false and is hyperbolic. The fact that I only found out about such a strategy after the Mercy rework was announced already undermines this claim… As for tempo ressing, theoretically, it is better than hiding. Your claim that “Hide n Res” was the way to play Mercy gets disproved by the high success rate of tempo ressing.

) I could just as easily say “objectively false” for everything you said. Objective = “representing facts” of which you have none.

This will be fun. Ok, go ahead and highlight them.

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Spreading positivity and ice cream, one Mercy at a time.

[Bui-1491]

You say that like we’re villains.

[Kiwi-22795]

No one is arguing that when Mercy 2.0 when released she wasn’t OP this is strawman, but there was potential to fix her and they actually did and with the upcoming buff (yes it’s considered a buff) she’ll actually be balanced.

[Mbrace-11950]

Who cares. It’s not coming back. Why are we still making threads about this?