Initially, I was in the hater side of things when it came to 5v5 and the new game modes. Now 5v5 has become bearable, and I don’t really hate it anymore. It’s not as good as the heights of 6v6, but it doesn’t seem to be going anywhere (unfortunately), so I adapted.
This brings me to maps. The OG maps are undoubtedly the best, but Flashpoint and Clash maps are extremely fun to play. (Push is still lousy unfortunately.)
All I’m really saying is that Flashpoint and Clash deserve more votes, instead of bing insta-ignored.
Most people dont enjoy Flashpoint or Clash maps. Between how dive/hitscan oriented they are and how they feel bad if you dont have massive burst at range or hypermobility, a lot of people just dont want to play on them.
Flashpoint/Clash are just the OW2 brainchild modes and like everything designed for it, they just assume everyone will pick Ashemaker 76 or Genji/Tracer.
If the game had released with those instead….and escort maps were the ones that just came out….there would be prejudice against them instead
It’s not a hate thing…it’s just people playing favorites….and that’s why voting systems suck in online gaming….it just takes the game and reduces it to the most “popular” version…otherwise known as really repetitive gameplay that gets old fast.
It’s not like I don’t like escort maps….but I’m getting really tired of playing them
If they game had released and been designed around those instead, sure.
But the game wasnt. And flashpoint/clash feel so biased towards some heroes they wanted to make OW2 around, that there isnt a lot of room for other heroes to feel good in it.
To be fair I’m going to insta-ignore the majority of things I don’t like when given the option. And thats not necessarily a bad thing. It just happens to be that those game modes are the ones people would rather not spend their time playing, and that’s fine.
Just like how there are people who don’t like playing escort maps or certain hero’s. Either way, saying what you like and don’t like, especially when given the opportunity and encouraged to share and vote on what you want
Which they were before since there are fewer of those maps….problem is they could appear back to back (since it was random) and people would immediately extrapolate that to “OMG I get them all the friggin time!!”
I’m one of the rare few that don’t mind clash. It’s pretty unbalanced but it keeps you active in the game but I get why it’s not voted for.
Flashpoint, for all the reasons I’ve written in many other threads, I just do not like. This is not any kind of OW2 prejudice thing, and I don’t imagine it is for many others either - I just don’t like the mode and the votes speak for themselves.
Normally someone will say how ignorant the “community” is and how they just hate anything OW2, yet Midpoint is almost always the popular vote and that’s an OW2 map. Also Colosseo is consistently voted for.
I get flashpoint a decent amount still. Clash deserves 0 vote every time. It’s not just a matter of opinion of me not liking the game mode and thinking it’s terrible. It was literally removed from competitive because it is not a fair or competitive mode. And they have yet to fix the glaring issues with scoring, and how awful attacking the last point is. And just as ridiculous, a team can win while never once having to attack a point on the enemy side. I would be fine with playing the mode, once blizz fixes the issues.
How about don’t waste our time with thrower garbage? Same goes for control with rounds.
Reduce the amount of points needed to win games if you want anyone to play them. Otherwise it’s trash throwers getting close to winning by getting it to a tie only for them to lose anyways. You could play 2 different maps by the time a control or flashpoint game ends. Some of us who value our time would like our challenges finished as fast as possible. If anyone votes for them and they win I’m reporting everyone in the game simple as that.
It really depends on the hitscan. Most of them are really really really bad for Ashe since she just gets eaten alive because of how close range and flankers favored they are.
It’s mostly clash, but a fair amount of flashpoint maps are like this too.
You could try to get better since Flash is a top pick in GM and probably masters. Seems like the higher skill you become the more those maps appeal to you.
The dev team seem to be aware of the issue and, compared to last season, we now get a much more frequent 3-map selection which doesn’t include escort or hybrid. It can be 3+ games between seeing them sometimes now and then you get a few in a row then back to seeing 2 flash+push, etc. as your choice.
If you are playing QP then simply leave during map select and go next (you can ignore the warning, there is no penalty for leaving during map select).
People are genuinely insane with map voting. I was told to kill myself for voting for Eichenwalde over King’s Row(I don’t think it plays that well in 5v5).
I also had sexist garbage thrown my way for voting for push over clash… Honestly I haven’t really played much since that. 4 games in a row I was harassed for my map vote choice. It’s so absurd.
Not sure that’s true. I watch tank streamers and they are all GM/Champ and most of them will pic Flash over older maps. They don’t play dive tanks - mostly hog and queen.
I think it’s kinda funny that you open with map voting prejudice needing to stop, and then go on to call Push lousy. Nah. Push is cooler than Flash and Clash, I’m happier that I get to play more of it, and the prejudice will continue unabated.
My hatred of Push isn’t without reason, so I wouldn’t call it prejudice. It’s easily the worst mode in the game because it makes you feel like you’re losing when you’re actually winning.
The bridge on Midtown point 2 is essentially the entirety of Push maps. Take this objective under a bridge. Oh, you got team wiped. I guess try again next push.
