Make mercy fun please

[Brawl-2310]

I beg to differ here. I’ve been told by all sorts of players that I’m the bane of their existence because they just can’t shoot me because of my movement. Eventhough diving the backline takes reading your team and the enemy. If they have competent players, no amount of GA cancel/hopping, A/D strafing and crouch spamming will stop you from getting killed. While in Valk, you’re offered much more movement than in her base form. If you use AD strafing, crouch spamming and GA/hopping you will be nearly unkillable. They can’t even kill my at 3900SR ELO that way, and I’m playing aganst some amazing McCrees and Widows. Whereas I would’ve gone in without Valk, I would’ve died, because they can hit you easier outside of Valk because of the lower speed.

I got told many times as well that my GA/AD is pain for DPSs (GM/T500 back with the old GA… now it’s even more pain for them ).
As far as i know (after personal experience) no amount of Valkyrie movement will be enough if the base GA/AD fails. The range of Valkyrie is a different story. If you can stay far away from the fight, yes, in that case it’s better. But we are talking fun and in which case is staying as far away from the fight as possible fun? I know fun is subjective, but playing around the corner, not in the action isn’t really intresting for me in a game like OW.
And the speed is not really the reason why it’s harder to kill, it’s the verticalness which can be done with GA too if you know how.

The only thing which makes it more save is the range, not the movement. She should not be about long range healing, that’s Ana’s deal.

This most definitely is a key skill to have on current Mercy if you want to win a game.

I give you 25% of that.
The Ult’s of the enemy’s have way less priority for you now, because you simply can’t do anything against them and a Earthshatter with no follow up can also be out healed by base Mercy. At the end, it goes down to the default Ult tracking which all heroes need. “Do you think they have Ult’s? Inform the team” nothing special about that anymore. With Mass Res it was like “Do you think they have Ult’s? Inform the team. But what if…” You needed to think far more ahead then just about the next fight.
The next thing is actually the first time that someone gives me a proper reason to use Val. But why only 25%? Because it boils down to healing management which, as i said, is not different than the base management. If a Graviton Surge lands well and you have a Junkrat on your team, most of the time it’s enough to just boost him, because he can dish out so much Dmg. That works with some other heroes as well.

But at the end of the day it’s as fun as making a circle in Photoshop. You just click and done.
I wouldn’t call this art as well as i wouldn’t call Valkyrie interesting.

This is a skill Mercy always has to be able to pull off.

That’s true, but only to a 1/3.
Valkyrie needs only thinking which takes place in the present. It’s way more reflex based and most of the time you only need the informations from the current situation (just like with the base management).
The examples you are using are more for her base kit and less something you would think about if you use/want to use Val.

Also applies to current Mercy because she has a resurrect ability.

This is true, but we are talking about Valkyrie. Resurrect as her E is a completely different deal than her Ult and has several other reasons/problems which gets players worried.

But!
Valkyrie is most of the time only used for the clean up/engagement which makes it a bit pointless to think about the amount of the players on the field.
Other sups don’t even need to use an Ult for that which makes it a bit pointless in that spots as well.

every hero has to keep track of this, this is not just exclusive to mass-rez Mercy.

Yea… I don’t konw why i put that in…

Timing is key to be to use to your team with current Mercy.

Again, true. But also again, res is not Valkyrie.
Valkyrie needs timeing as well, all Ult’s need at least a bit timing. But Resurrect (Ult) had so many different situations in which it could be use that timing in Val feels like not needed at all.
Val has it’s situations, sure. But those are not even close to be as thrilling, mind-game-heavy and complex as the situations of Mass Resurrect.

also highly applies to current Mercy. You need to be aware where every enemy is on the map to ensure you getting a rez off.

You probably know what is coming next.
E Resurrect, yes (although it’s more gambling most of the time). Valkyrie, not so much. The position of your enemy has almost zero priority for Valkyrie, because your not the guy shooting them. It’s more than enough to know where your team is.

this also applies to every hero, it’s nothing exclusive to Mercy. If you don’t know how some ults work, you’re probably in bronze…

Okay, maybe I misphrased that.
What i mean with that is that you needed to know the strategies of all Ult’s and what they exactly can do or what they potentially can do. Mercy was an all rounder after all, so you needed to know everything about all heroes. (Maybe a reason why i can play most heroes so well).
Valkyrie needs that not at all. If you know that the Ult can out dmg Val you just don’t use it. This is a massive chunk of strategic adaptation which is just gone.

you’re probably in bronze…

In S5 my goal was GM and i was close. But i stoped playing mid season because the game was extremely toxic at that time and Mercy’s rework was announced…

Also yet again applies to current Mercy (except how many).

Also yet again this is res not Val. The entire category can’t be fulfilled by Valkyrie at all.

But i still want to jump into that a bit.

The E res is by far harder to pull of as the Mass Res. Everyone which says something else is blind. But the decision making is subterranean (can I say that in English like that? sounds wrong…). If more than 2 teammates are dead, most of the time you just disengage and don’t try to risk it. It’s really just “is it save or not”. You just want to use it everytime you can, to keep the man advantage. What you are saying can apply in some situations, but it’s by far more important to keep the man advantage.

Yes mass-rez Mercy had to consider those things, but so does Valk Mercy. She doesn’t take less skills than before, she still needs thinking and strategic planning to be really effective with her. Also in different ways than old Mercy did.

The only skill in decision making Valkyrie needs is the very basic decision making of her kit, Healing/Dmg Management. It’s not only easier to use, it also involves way less strategy.
Valkyrie does not extend her gameplay which is a major problem in my opinion, because it makes her really flat and bland.

A Transformation Ult is no fit for Mercy

and this is the problem.

Can? Absolutely.

Successful most of the time? ehhh not really, as I said, if you’re vs. good players, you will get killed if you go with them heads over heels.

I played against good players with the old GA and it worked more than good enough. (keep in minde, my overall res average was at 6-6.5 a match).

The point of that is that it’s far more engaging to do that stuff with her base kit because it’s less save and that it’s still the same impact as if i would use Val.

I beg to differ. I get shot down more while GA/AD using with the occasional crouchspam than I do while in Valk. In Valk, I keep using my base movement. I dont just float around. I use GA and bunnyhopping off CD to stay as mobile and unpredictable as possible.

Same problem. It’s to easy. Why should i use it if i can have the same outcome with the base kit, but with way more fun? Keep in minde that this is not about the viability of Val, you have some very valid points for it (in the supportive category) but so far i still see nothing in Val which is fun, interesting or thrilling.

Well Who said I fly straight into their faces.

My point is that you don’t even need to use Valkyrie for that. Behind a shield, end of story. I wouldn’t use my Ult as a sup just to kill a sniper.

Also increases the odds your teammates are then able to make play and win back a point, had it happen quite a lot.

Well that’s more gambling to be honest and an Ult used just for a stall feels a bit wasted in my opinion.

Have you ever played agains a GM Tracer or Genji?

Yes, i did and it’s not that much harder than dodging them in P-D. I was in all ranks from G-high M. I played with many GM’s and T500 from time to time and because i specialised my self in the GA usage. It’s more than possible.
DM is a different story… they just eat you there…

As I said too, no it doesn’t change anything about her strategy/gameplay if you compare her to mass-rez version. She takes the same amount of gamesense (i.e. ult tracking, ability tracking), better positioning and tracking of enemies and teammates because of the casttime in her rez and even better movement since the buff to GA.

I still stay with my point.
She takes with Val and E res overall way less strategy and gamesenses to play. It’s no fun to play because it misses interesting and thrilling gameplay mechanics which work with her kit. Buff’s or nerf’s won’t change that, it’s a core problem of Valkyrie.

The GA change is the only good thing from the rework.