Here this person boops five players off the map, including both their tanks and a 225hp hero, and only gets 54% ult charge. The rest of the video is basically showing how much ult charge other heroes get for doing the same amount of damage.
I don’t understand why Lucio has to have this slow ult gain rate especially considering in the grand scheme of things Beat isn’t even that great of a support ult. It’s probably the second worst support ult next to Coal, and at least with Coal you can get value from it being up frequently.
Beat is like best ult in the entire game and counters a lot of ults
the only thing is balanced around is taking slightly more to get (even then when you heal 5 people with his aoe and get damage done you can get it super fast)
Agreed. Lucio is the most skillful support anyways in my opinion so I don’t get why he’s allowed to be so meh aside from speed boosting rein in higher ranks.
I agree Lucio needs an ult charge buff but saying beat is worst than Valk is something else. Being the worst ult of supports ults which most are S or A Tier isn’t bad.
Yeah and also even if it was the worst of supports ults those are support ults which are the best ults in the game. Obviously beat isn’t the worst of them tho
I mean can look at it that way or another way to look at it. Lucio can potentially get more than half a ult charge with a single button push. Seems okay to me considering how strong his Ult is.
The quality of the ult is great, however it has significant weaknesses as well, which at least in this thread have gone unrecognized.
Counters during cast time are: Hook, Flash, Charge, Hack, sleep, etc.
Counter after the fact is EMP
Additional counters sre “juke and wait it out, or trigger early”. A rat tire can be stopped with beat, but just taking another lap undoes it entirely. Additional ults can either trigger during cast, or wait out the duration.
The only thing a Lucio can really do is glom onto a hero with a counterable ult and sync ults up. I do this with Sigma, or S76, or Genji most of the time, but that requires healing instead of speedboost.
The difference in rate of Ult generation between crossfade songs is my biggest issue, however I also think that Lucio’s ult isn’t his biggest problem. His biggest problem is obsolescence in view of new supports and his complete overreliance on being merely a Reinhart accessory for value.
Bap and Brigitte are vastly superior choices in every regard outside of Rein comps. Add to that, Hammond completely overtook his disruption role, his value has never been lower.
He needs something that adds value beyond a boosted ult generation rate. He needs to have value with everyone else, and that won’t be solved by boosting his ult generation. I actually think that cutting his reload speed fairly dramatically is in order, so he can be one to apply pressure.
That is 100% not an effective way to play Lucio. There is a reason top Lucios are amazing reddit Lucios. You need to have a lot of versatility playing him and know when to switch between diving, distracting, peeling, speeding, and healing. Not to mention the difficulty of doing good damage aiming his slowish projectiles while moving at high speeds. Lucio can’t heal nearly enough to just healbot.
With Ana you position well, shoot your teammates and sometimes do some sniping, land your sleeps and know when to anti. Sure she needs good aim but her kit is generally more effective than Lucio’s while requiring less effort for decent value.
There’s a reason why there are only around 20 Lucio players in T500 on EU right. Even myself only play him on control maps, as an OTP Lucio I default to Zen most other maps if I don’t in masters/GM I’ll get flamed because he’s not in a good state right now, low damage, low heals and his ult takes ages to charge.
Lucio’s kit doesn’t need an ult charge buff, kit’s overstuffed as it is. His ult is considered the best in the game by many, not sure where you are getting this idea its not good.
Because other heroes can’t aoe heal 6 teammates at the same time. Lucio has insanely fast ult charge if he actually heals people, buffing his damage ult charge is just going to further encourage reddit lucio plays which is the last thing we need.
A small buff to Lucio’s ult charge rate would be nice, and would definitely raise his stock among upper level players. But it would probably have to be a small buff, as beat can be massively game changing if you have it more frequently. Used properly, it can counter a lot of ults.
