My point was that two lucio players with let’s say 2000 SR gap might look the same from an outsider POV but there’s much more to it.
The skill floor of Lucio might appear low but it’s not, at least it’s higher than Brig, Mercy and Moira.
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It’s really easy to be useless as Lucio. His constant self healing and wall riding means he can just run around on his own without really doing anything for his team.
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It’s also really easy to difference that gap in these heroes…here for some reason OP is talking about skill floor.
I think this says more about the players going up against said Junkrat than the Junkrat himself.
“Being able to play someone” being the bare minimums to create value with the kit.
But Widow is NOT an extremely low skill floor, since at bare minimum her value is being able to body shot full charge shots. Otherwise it’s just putting damage downrange which any kit can do to a degree.
If you want to argue what that is for each character sure. But by using speedboost to get lucio to the team and then swapping to heal and staying next to your teammates you are getting decent value out of his particular kit… and it isn’t a particularly high bar. he doesn’t require mechanical skill, or great positioning, or even triage really. Just be there with the right thing on.
People get all antsy pantsy when you suggest their favorite character is low skill floor… and I don’t know why. High tier lucios are scary… but lets not pretend people didn’t used to tell supports to “just go lucio” for easy heals.
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Literally, no one had said that.
I don’t think you know the difference between skill floor and skill ceiling.
I agree. I’ve started to pick Lucio more often now, and I noticed if his speed boost isn’t needed, it’s better to pick other support beside him. The only thing that Lucio can provide more is to be a reddit Lucio, but even that is a big bet and can be inconsistent, depending on how your team could fare without you for a few seconds and also if the enemy could deal with you or not.
Out of all support, Lucio undoubtedly gives the most inconsistent value between them all. Back to the main topic, I think Zen has the lowest skill floor between all the support. He doesn’t really have to do anything since discord is such a strong and easy ability to land. Ceiling wise, I think Zen is the second or third highest between all the support.
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I don’t care if x hero is low skill floor or not, I just disagreed with your definition of skill floor.
If 2 heroes take the same amount of input to do something, but one hero gets more value for it, are their skill floors the same because of the amount of input they put in, or are they different because of the input to value ratio?
In a literal sense, it would be the amount of input, but a hero with more value would be easier to play due to their skill curve, which I believe is part of the skill floor to an extent.
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And, this is, can a bronzey get value out of them.
Yeah, a bronzie can get value out of them, by standing in their team and doing nothing.
It won’t even get them out of bronze, but, it will give them some value.
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Input + difficulty + complexity I would say.
A hero that gets value from existing in a space with the right thing on being below a hero that actively has to track/aim/press fire to get value. Which lucio kinda does. He doesn’t even have to pick who to heal.
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I did, that’s why I clarified it.
I just spoke about skill floor without mentionning anything that could relate to skill ceiling… huh?
Honestly not as much as Lucio for me, I don’t know why OP thinks Lucio is so easy to pick up, it’s not just “all you have to do is speed your team and Then Heal while there”, if you do that you’re probably in a low rank where heal doesn’t have the same value since people are playing badly, if you’re going to do that might aswell play Moira and you’ll heal more, don’t even have to think about speedboost or boops, just left click and right click when you have to reload.
Mercy or Moira’s kit are way more straight forward since they basically have 0 utility except revive.
At least you have to look at your team but Lucio has a higher skill ceiling
under moira, huge Kapp
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No, Lucio does not have the ““lowest”” skill floor in the game, let’s just get the facts out of the way.
By comparison, the skill floors of heroes like Moira, Mercy, Junkrat, Mei, etc. absolutely pale in comparison to those of Lucio.
if you are playing lucio like this you are playing him incorrectly, please do not play lucio like this lol, he is probably the most difficult support
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I mean… Yeah, you’re kinda right.
Though timing his ult is pretty hard. I am struggling alot with that. And it gets harder and harder the more up you go in the ranks.
Lucio has propably one of the lowest skill floors, yes. But also one of the highest skill ceilings.
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Bruv What is wrong with you? Wallride is not easy at all. Maybe you think you can Wallride just because you know how to hold down space or know the basic tricks how to go upward while doing it but i’m telling ya: Just watch Eskay or Aspen how they can literally go in any direction they want or even to stay in one place one the wall. It’s not easy at all to fully master. You can go ahead and try to complete all the Lucio Parkour and see how “easy” it is or you can try to break the records for the Lucio speed race in the custom games…
Not even talking about that some good Lucio players like Frogger can usually land 3 out of 4 soundwave on his target (Especially when he is hitting headshots with Lucio gun) and i’d like to see you try to do the same.
Yeah sure to heal or to speed boost all you have to do is to just exist but doing some crazy boops, while being able to dance around the team with Wallride and landing all of your primary Fire… Bruv Lucio is the 3rd hardest support if you want to play him properly and not just sitting next to your team with the healing aura.
That honor goes to Mercy or Reinhardt. Lucio can multitask at the very least and has more he can do and thus should do to be optimal. Mercy and Rein when doing their primary job simply cannot and thus are way easier (even if they are forced into being easy since they cant multitask)
Lucio isnt that difficult mind you, but he is certainly a step above Mercy and Reinhardt who are actually the easiest to play.
Can Yall stop confusing Skill Floor with Ceiling. You can literally just speed your team and heal that may not be the most value but it is value so he has the lowest skill floor plus he doesnt even have to look at his team.
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Exactly, that’s what OP was talking about the skill floor to pick up some hero, not the skill floor to be at GM. The skill floor to be at GM is part of what’s between skill floor and ceiling of the hero in general.
To me it was very clear what OP was talking about(might be wrong tho), because of that I was curious in your answer.
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The skill floor is not the same for every rank imo, a silver player might say Lucio is super easy because they have no idea how to play him or they barely know his kit and they’ll play him like any other fps character, it doesn’t mean the skill floor of Lucio is actually low, it means they have no idea what they are talking about lol.
If you’re going to say that then all characters have the same skill floor in lower ranks, you can just pick any of them and kill stuff.
On the other hand if you’re in GM and you have a general understanding of how Lucio is supposed to be played then his skill floor (even if not as high as some other characters) is definitely higher than Brig, Mercy or Moira.
The most flagrant example of skill floor varying between ranks is Brigitte for sure, higher ranks will tell you she’s super easy to pick up and get value from, lower ranks will tell you she’s dead and hard to play.