I think it’s time to tone down the Self Destruct range. To many times a team is getting beat and Self Destruct wins it alone. Hell, I’ve used it to this advantage before and it just feels dirty. It’s one of those rub your hands together and snicker plays. Most of the time it’s the play of the game. The damage it does I have no issue with but the los range is ridiculous. Yes I know you can get behind something and block it. Perhaps a setting a range would be a good rework. This wouldn’t kill the character it would just make the ultimate a little less easy mode style.
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Nothing easy about self destruct, and all tank ults can turn a fight, she’s actually on the weaker end here if you look at orisa or others.
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There is alot of cover to take, it is fine unless the enemy team is just that deaf or blind to the bomb entirely (or you know, mei or sym helped it get players but then you can say that about any ult that needs others to help get it to hit
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do you know why dva ult never gets any kills in masters / gm /top 500 ?
its because players know how to position themselves near cover ALL. THE. TIME
take note, its still a good ult, but not for getting kills, its for zoning or forcing players out of one area into another, where hopefully your team is ready to do something with that space
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leave it alone she doesnt need stuff nerfed at all if anything there are other characters needed to be nerfed
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DVA ult is possibly the easiest ult to dodge though? maybe doomfists? but yeah DVA ult is crazy easy to survive, just get behind something, break los and you’re fine.
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Uh… what?
Of all ults to complain about…?
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Her ult is ever good for getting one thing done: trying to stay alive via re-mech (and pray the enemy doesn’t shoot her down while the timer is ticking which is why all high level players “hug” the bomb and cover behind it).
Just some stats (all S3 GM from OB):
– D.Va ult: 1.87 kills / 10 minutes (less than 2 on average per match)
– S76 ult: 3.67 kills / 10 minutes (despite it not doing OHK)
– Ashe ult: 2.71 kills / 10 minutes (despite Bob being static and no OHK)
– Pharah ult: 3.98 kills / 10 minutes
– Sigma ult: 2.57 kills / 10 minutes (can be countered mid-air)
– Mei: 3.56 kills / 10 minutes (also no OHK)
– Reaper: 4.14 kills / 10 minutes
Her kills / 10 minutes is comparable to … Bastion (1.80) or Hanzo (1.78) - so among those which are the hardest ones to get value of in terms of elims.
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I’m guessing you’re a new player? There’s a ton of heroes who can negate it either for themselves or for their teammates too. You can also easily use the environment to avoid the bomb, and she’s like Reaper where it’s pretty obvious when she has her ult and is looking to use it. Imo it’s one of the weaker tank ults right now.
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People used to joke about Primal rage being ineffective, but Self-destruct is right up there with being just as bad, if not worse, in 5v5 now. Both ults realistically can only be used to zone and move people around, but at least Winston gets to decide where to push people around to. Everyone just scatters to safety for D.Va’s bomb (and then all re-emerge the next second it explodes) in all but the lowest ranked lobbies, where she manages to score kills with it only because players are just clueless there.
I know the OP made this thread as a joke, as Self-destruct definitely does not need nerfed, but it could honestly use a buff.
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Hey, at least Winston’s ult gets him an average of 2.39 kills / 10 minutes (same OB brackets); also not a whole lot but about 28% better than D.Va 
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For reference: Call Mech has about 1.85 kills / 10 minutes. Imagine having your ultimate attack only barely outperform your recovery move in terms of offense.
And I think Meteor Strike (an ult infamous for mostly being used to run away) is somewhere in the 2.2 range?
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Dva screams NERF THIS! You have an eternity to get behind cover. The bomb is giant and glowing bright as the sun. If you’re consistently dying to this then you have the awareness of a potato.
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Ha! Indeed, what a joke. I didn’t check DF ult but I though he was the worst though? No way, my world was shattered, he outdid D.Va by a whole 20% with his escape ability ult!
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D.va bomb might seem OP in lower ranks, but becomes very diffcult to use in higher ranks. Almost everyone knows the closest cover to get, and the tanks have really good reactions and block it with shields. Thus it takes a lot of situational awareness the higher the rank to use. A lot of the skill involved trying to time where in the boost you shoot it off and place it in extremely good locations. It’s not always good to just toss it super high up, and it already has a lot of damage fall off which makes it only effective at killing very squishy targets from up there. Tanks will just survive it.
Point is, it’s almost always funcitoned the same except they made baby d.va immune to it. As it use to require more skill because you needed to find cover yourself.
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People still die to self destruct?
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This is why I just use it to go for plays that I’ll probably die making so I can get a remech. Especially with no 2nd tank in ow2 to instantly press w the second dva throws bomb (which never happened anyway 
) it’s incredibly difficult to even use it to zone people. By time dva can crawl back into mech, everyone is standing where they were before. The bomb is better at baiting cooldowns like immortality field or suzu so that a dps can then use their ult.
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Wait, people actually use DVA ult to try and kill people, instead of to re-mech when they die?
I didn’t know there were people left in the game who don’t know how to avoid DVA bomb.
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Occasionally there is a good moment to use it to go for kills but it’s more rare.
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I used to hold my bomb when other playmakers used their ults, and prefered to combo with enablers like Earthshatter and EMP. I know it’s spammy, but now when I hear a friendly Tire, Tac Visor, etc, I just ult alongside them as a combo. The ensuing chaos is bound to get somebody killed. (I like to think it’s better to DM Cass and Pharah during their ultimates, but I’m just built different, I guess.)
Still, doesn’t feel fair that as Rein, Sigma, or Orisa, I can consistently score kills all by myself using their ultimates without even trying. Unlike D.Va.
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