Why is it getting more common with matches going south due to Juno/Moira/Kiriko full on dpsing with under 2k healing?
I didnt think these support did THAT much damage that folks find it important to forgo healing to just flat out dpsing? Even if the dps on the team are doing great?
TBH stadium is getting super annoying for this very reason. As a support it’s so frusturating watching my Juno/Kiri/or Moira have less then 500 heals in a round and just refuse to help support the team. You would think they would see how bad we’re getting steamrolled due to their lack of helping us but NOPE, they just keeeep on doing them I guess…
Sometimes supports should be in there killing things instead of healing. It’s only low- to mid-ranked supports that think they’re supposed to just hang back and be healbots. You really should try to get in there and help them if they’re attacking.
Sometimes there are full-on “I’m just DPSing” support players, but that’s rare. What’s more common is they tried to make a play and died because they got no help from their team, so of course their healing is low.
Lol I play zen and it’s crazy how often I’ll have my other support do less healing then me when all I have to do is put an orb an an aggressive teammate and shoot the guy he is shooting. I mean I fully believe damage first is the way in every game with support like heroes from d&d to overwatch to whatever but at some point you still have to keep your team winning fights. If you are winning and they do no healing fine they probably didn’t need to. But if you are losing maybe they need to look at their priorities. If they aren’t getting kills their damage isn’t as useful as they think. But damage is definitely more important than healing to win. But you still need it.
normal ow, it can work fine. (as long as you get a elim for every teammate you lose its ok)
I would never flame a reddit lucio for not healing me when he follows up with 1-2 elims.
in stadium, healing is so busted not doing it is clearly throwing.
I like to see my teammates as meat shields. things my enemies want to shoot instead of me.
Tank has the added benefit if all dps and supports are squishy that I kinda need them on the objektive, so I don’t have to stand there in the open.
Keep them alive as long as you need them. (Or if they disengage because of no heals, so they can reengage again faster)
I don’t hunt down teammates to heal them.
If it’s pure dps support and no heal, then I’m not surprised you lose more often than not. Sometimes, it’s a balance that is not easy to find between healing and dps, but 2k healing is almost nothing. On Moira, I’m not surprised. Most Moiras enjoy simply flanking and getting easy kills instead of actually helping their team. Their whole kit encourages it, so… Blizz is mostly to blame, imo.
It’s a lot rarer, in my experience, with Kiri and Juno. It happens, but it’s definitely not common, and they still usually have at least 4-5k healing. Not a lot, but enough to win if they’re actually doing a good job at dpsing (Juno is definitely not the best for that. I go Bap when I want to “dps”).
I can appreciate DPS moira who never heals sometimes, even as a tank. As long as she is getting value and helping us win the game, I don’t care. But I rarely see full-on DPS kiriko getting as much value as DPS moira though.
And I’ve never heard of DPS juno…that sounds pretty horrible and useless.
I’ve been seeing a LOT of DPS Junos in stadium 
I mainly find it annoying when I’m the other support, play something more utility-based, get more healing even incidentally, get comparable if not more damage, and actually bring something else useful to the table.
In those matches, I’m not playing alongside a “DPS Moira”. I’m playing alongside an idiot.
Yeah I dunno…Junos doing 4k-5k in dps but under 2k healing… something isnt right. It doesnt compare to the dps mains but at this point they should just have dps or tanks. The blurry line between a healing support and dps is smaller then ever.
The game has sped up so much over the years that the ttk is now measured in milliseconds, and non-cooldown healing often doesn’t even slow down how quickly people die anymore.
I don’t endorse the DPS supports who have decided that in-combat healing is useless and stopped trying to hold back the tide, but I do understand their reasoning.
Supports lack the tools to pursue or yield killing blows and eliminations.
And it is quite the opposite, low-to-mid-ranked Supports are the ones doing damage or acting like they should be killing targets instead of healing their team.
Supports lack the ability to “make a play” that involves killing multiple targets. They have abilities to save multiple team mates from death, and that’s the only way their team can help them to make that play.
It would be a miracle to see that much healing in a single round with both Supports.
Game has slowed down, not sped up.
But in Stadium, kills can happen extremely fast in later rounds depending on whether or not the team is properly stacking Ability or Weapon power. If they’re not scaling their powers correctly, kills can happen in an instant.
Kiriko can. Her headshots hit hard, and it’s especially good to get flankers to get off of you.
Juno’s damage is alright. Moira’s just stacks over time because she can throw orbs. And that does a lot of tickle damage.
But yeah ignoring low health teammates when they are visible, accessible, and you do not have to prioritize damage is unideal.
Huh ? I’m around or above 4k in one round, usually… unless it was a stomp and I didn’t even get a chance to heal much. But 4k is really not that much.
Depends which ones… Kiri can pursue elims quite easily, Bap too. I often switch to Bap when I feel like a bit more dps would be welcome.
With respect to the players here where players are complaining about DPS supports, it is extremely rare to see any Support in a single round hit even 2k healing after the third round.
Personally, it’s not something I haven’t been able to do. Like you, I can regularly hit those numbers if my team like to be sponges, but in the experiences in this thread and in my own, I rarely see it happen.
Yeah, I’d to see it when you hit a target, they take cover or use a mobility to escape that hotzone, how does Kiriko pursue that when they disappear off to a ledge 15 to 20 meters away from you?
How does Baptiste do it? Do you physically run up there, charged up EXO Boots and go after that enemy that’s likely to be faster than you or even move at the same speed? You can’t; the only ones that could would be Moira or Lucio. Even Juno’s mobility wouldn’t keep up.
Uh ? Is it one round, 3 rounds ? What is it ? The last game I played in QP with Kiriko (we lost), I had 10k damage and 9k healing, on Anubis. Is QP one round ? Two, three ? How do you count ?
You seem to take “pursue” quite literally. I just mean that you can secure kills, and solo kills, as Kiri or Bap without too much problem. That’s all I’m saying. Sure, if it’s a Soldier running away, I’m not gonna run after him. But I can still secure the kill.
Sorry, talking about Stadium.
Right, that’s totally fine for any Support to do.
It is not fine for what this thread has implied or witnessed that Supports actively pursuing enemy targets like they’re Damage-role heroes.
I’ve been playing support at the highest ranks for 9 years (was T500 in both 6v6 and 5v5 last season), and I promise you we’re killing things. It’s not uncommon for Moira, Illari, Bap, or Zen to have as much damage on the scoreboard as anyone else in the lobby. Then there’s Kiriko, who should absolutely be in the enemy backline and on their high ground trying to pick people off. She has the kit to climb up there and teleport back to her team if necessary. Lucio should be frequently diving enemies, too, and securing final blows. Brig is built to play right up front and beat on things. Even Mercy should be using her mobility and Valk to kill things sometimes. Juno has the mobility to be anywhere she wants and should be providing pressure from off angles even though she doesn’t do so much damage. Ana doesn’t need to be up front, but she should be doing about as much damage as healing.
Supports aren’t healers. They’re supports. And many are built for murder.
I didn’t say it was fine to do dps only as a support ! But you were (as far as I understand) more or less implying that supports suck at dps and cannot secure elims. You said, and I quote :
I disagree with that. A lot of supports have enough tools to get killing blows and elims and even solo kills.