Lore: Brigitte being 23 is a bad move, imho

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Note: This post relies on information contained in Overwatch wikis about the timeline. Since there doesn’t seem to be an official, canon timeline, this is the best we’ve got.

Two days ago Brigitte was 28, which would have made her Torb’s oldest child ( I know it said she was his youngest, but that felt like a typo). Which made all the sense to me, since Fareeha is 32 (and Overwatch was founded aprox 30 years ago from the game.)

Today she’s 23 and, indeed, Torb’s youngest child.

UHM.

So all the kiddos in the Xmas comic are actually Torb’s grandkids. I always thought they would be Brigitte’s brothers and sisters.

Also, it’s super sad that Torb’s family is so far away from him all the time. I imagined Ingrid worked in Overwatch somewhat (hell, maybe in the nursery, because, who took care of Fareeha when Ana was on a mission?) and they raised Brigitte (as their oldest child) there, then moved back to Sweden after the war was over.

It made sense to me that they had more kids when the world was safer, even if that meant they were older and there was a 7-13 year gap between Brigitte and her siblings.

Also that’d explain why Brigitte is always in Torb’s engineering bay, and she’s the only engineer between them siblings. Also, it would have been much more meaningful for Rein to be the godfather of Torb’s first kid.

If she had lived a lot of time around Overwatch, that would also make more reasonable that she’s this attached to Rein. Because otherwise, she will only see him when he decides to visit, which– won’t be as much as he would like to, and their bond won’t be as strong.

And to give even more food for thought, if the game starts like 6 years after Overwatch’s downfall (as suggested by overwatchwiki, and Rein was probably retired one or two years prior this, at least), Brigitte was not even 18 when she started her adventure with Rein-- and this really, really bothers me. No parent in their right mind would have consented to this (even more, knowing how good Rein is at getting in trouble).

Thoughts?

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i made a similar posts like this pointing out other facts as well but as to her & rein’s timeline i see no problem

rein didn’t retire himself, he was retired by OW as implied by his short
according to his comic ( with brigitte there as well ) he had NO intention to stop doing his thing however so he continued to do his crusader thing

in the meanwhile brigitte took more interest in what her dad was doing and since Torb & Rein are bffs she probably saw him a lot
rein likes to boast as we all know by now, and the fact that he was her godfather she looked up to him
i dont think torb wouldve discouraged brigitte from following in rein’s footsteps, torb would know if rein is a good egg and we all know there is no one who wants to safe the world more than rein does

ofc hed be worried but also he raised the girl himself and would know how capable she is

so their timeline adds up to me, brigitte was rein’s squire, she fixed him up, did his armory etc etc, she wasnt really out there fighting herself until ‘recently’
she decided she didnt want to wait to deal with the after math anymore
she wanted to be rein’s shield, his help in the field

so that all adds up and thats where i think they did great with her timeline
yea the retcon about the grandkids is weird, i think theyre purposely not trying to name drop or tease other existing characters so soon too ( ea her siblings )

i think the problem faults more in the fact that all this messes up mercy’s age purely bc of her presence in the letter
and not seeing her in any other material before the comic and short is natural but feels off all the same

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I’m confused… There’s so many conflicting stories lol. My understanding is that Brigitte is Torb’s oldest and first daughter (around the 23y age), and all those other children in the comic are his younger children. Then after Overwatch disbanded Brigitte spent most of her time with her godfather Rein whom she eventually became a squire for. Is that incorrect?

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It’s actually funny how very developed Brigitte is gameplay wise, most likely the best hero ever designed in overwatch. But she also seems to be one of the most rushed hero story wise.

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dva is part of a special forces mecha division at the age of 19…

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her story is pretty solid, its just that they said that the kids in the reflections comic were his grandchildren after saying earlier only some were grandchildren

but now theyre all his grandchildren and brigitte is still the youngest

if theyd make this a much clearer statement then there would be no confusion, instead of assumig everyone reads chu’s and jeff’s twitter

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Thanks for your points.

It is clear Rein didn’t retire himself, but I don’t feel it matters why he was gone from Overwatch – just when :wink: Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea of the squire and stuff, but IF she chose to do this before even being 18 she’s too young, no matter how skilled she is.

And no, I don’t think Torb would discourage her. I’m actually sure he would be relieved to see someone with brains is taking care of his oaf of a friend, but still. If this happens when she’s underaged…

This would also be different if Rein is retired and goes on his own to do his stuff, comes back to the Limholms for a visit years later, and Brigitte is 20+ already and decides to go with him, but the canon wiki specifically says: Before he left on his adventures, Brigitte surprised him by asking to join him as his squire. Reinhardt accepted.

Hence, Rein must have been visiting a LOT for her to be really attached to him (or they just living close by for lots of years, so they actually have a relationship). I see this with my little nephews, since I’m just around them 2/3 times a year.

If Mercy’s age is the problem, then make Mercy older and say her caduceus stuff makes her look younger. That’s all it needs. IMHO, at least.

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Michael Chu said she’s the youngest, and that those kids are Torb’s grandkids. There’s no conflicting stories in this case.

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It is indeed incorrect. Brigitte is Torb’s youngest daughter and all the children in the christmas comic are Torb’s grandsons and granddaughters. It was confirmed by Michael Chu here in the forums

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I like Brigitte’s story, I feel it is good --just not very realistic given her age.

I think the biggest problem is that Blizz has never made an effort to have a coherent timeline for this game. They just keep adding things on the go and stepping on their own toes…

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well for all we know rein only left for adventuring when she was 18?

overwatch disbanded 6-7 years ago, making her 17-ish at the time, rein was retired maybe a year? or two before that

he couldve been just been retiring, and the fall couldve prompted him to go on his path of honour! or any of the bad things that happened after the fall couldve prompted him to go out and fight till his last breath

before his call to honour bri could still have been his mechanic, or at least torb’s helper in fixing it up, i don’t think its that weird for her to venture out with rein at 16/17 to just simply be his mechanic on the road

but in the end we have a 19 y o gamer deplayed to fight a kajiu omnic in korea and we have efi going around making an omnic that can pull people off maps and shoot them from behind a shield

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Whats wrong with her age? She’s old enough for torb to be her dad, and he’s old enough to have had more kids, who have also had kids.
She’s also old enough to have been with reinhardt for a few years.

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That’s exactly what a rushed character is… Things are not clear and do not add up.

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For all we know – Do we know anything for sure? :slight_smile: This is why I started my post saying it is based on wiki timelines. I WISH Blizz would give us a canon one so, at least, we all discussed on the same basis.

Still, it is just my point of view. Not saying yours is wrong. But I think the story would have been better if she was older. In my mind, it would have made more sense for everyone involved.

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Torb is 57, if those were his kids and not grandkids that would mean he started breedin like rabbit in his 40s.

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Like that is odd nowadays, you mean? :slight_smile:

Also they may have had triplets, for all we know, lol.

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its not rushed, she exists for over a year now,
the fault is that overwatch’s story, its foundation, is clunky

the kids in the comic were confirmed to be grandchildren not much later than the comic came out, thats last year

if you think spending more than a year on a character & story for said character is rushed then idk what your expectations are, as she was obviously already in planned for sure when rein’s short came out

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It probably took him a couple years to decide to go be a vigilante. He probably spent a few years in a rutt, what with OW’s downfall and being forced into retirement. Probably made him depressed for a bit.

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The lore of this game is a complete mess, news at 11.

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yea i think that her original age being 28 would make more sense

but the mercy wouldve had dreams of tissue regeneration ate age 9

the oldest they could make her was in the end 23 so that age 14 is a reasonable one for mercy to be really into becoming a doctor

so in the end the fault is in the fact that mercy shouldve been a reasonable age ( like moira ) like 45-ish or smth, making her 17 when bri wouldve been born ( if she was 28 ) and thats a good age to be like, starting medical education if she skipped some grades, and would make more sense

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