Longtime OW players experience in comp

Hello! I have played OW since the very beginning and took a long break. I recently came back to try out OW2 and really try hard. I have anxiety about comp because I care too much about rank and how I look to others. I would drink, get buzzed all the time in OW1 and my account sat in mid plat to mid diamond for years. Once I got to diamond, I would get scared of losing my shiny object and stop playing. Lame, I know. Now, I was going to really try and take it seriously. I played a bunch of QP, learned all the new heroes/maps, got my aim locked in better than ever, and jumped into comp.

From what I have seen even a highly skilled t500 player will often get placed in gold when they do their placements, and have to climb up from there (I watched awkwards unranked to GM zarya). I knew with my accounts history I would likely place gold and I did, gold 2. Now, I DOMINATED my placements (we’re talking 33-2, 18-0, 26-4, 22-2 etc.). I lost 2 due to leavers, one of which I might have lost anyways, not sure, who cares I guess. I place gold 2, fine. I can tell I am playing the best OW I have ever played, literally carrying games. Now my sample size isn’t big, but over 20+ games after placements I end up with around 50% win rate. When I say the games were maddening, I mean it. Some games I’m steamrolling and it’s not even fair. Then others I’m still playing very well and losing, saying “what just happened, how did we lose this?” (my k/d is around 5 now, it was over 9 when I did my placements). I also had 3 of those games with leavers that were super winnable, fine, bad luck. I also accept that I made the occasional bad play that cost us, but if I am not playing amazing, we lose every time. I have to carry to win. If I die, my whole team dies, every time. You know those games where you kill 3 on your own, turn around and you’re whole team just suddenly isn’t there? That’s happening a lot. Comments like “holy zarya carry”, “what is this matchmaking”, “tank diff” all the time. I tell people I’m gold 2 and they’re like, “seriously?”. My WORST game was 20-10 on havana, unwinnable. I know stats aren’t everything, but they tell a story. I’m ranting, sorry.

I know everyone thinks they are great and deserve a higher rank when they don’t. My honest assessment is that I am playing at a much higher level than my rank, and I’m baffled. I keep playing, aaaaand rank update, gold 2. Kinda makes sense, I’m losing as much as I’m winning somehow. I’m sure if I keep playing I will rank up, but this ranking system feels very flawed. I check the people I’m playing with and they are diamond sometimes, plat sometimes, maybe I check my healer and theyre bronze, lets sprinkle in a masters challenger. I just don’t get it. I’m playing with a huge range of skill levels and have no idea what I’m going to get. Its a dice roll every game. I will say this, there was only one game where I said, “yeah that tank is playing better than me”. Im gold 2 and I ask everyone what their rank is and they say “diamond 2, plat 1, diamond 4”.

I honestly don’t know what skill level my opponents/teammates actually are, its confusing. I see this in the unranked to GM videos I watch too. They put you in gold, but put you with people at your “hidden MMR”, so if you don’t carry constantly at your actual skill level, you don’t climb. I suspect that gold as a rank has a ton of people with a vast range of actual skill level, and its probably like that in other ranks. I just get the impression that I’m going to have to play a TON of games, carry a TON of games, just to rank up a little. Now, if I was top 500 material, this might not be as brutal, but I’m not. It’s true that some people are hard stuck because they’re just playing at their rank, but there are definitely a lot of skilled players getting screwed too. Then you have skilled players playing other skilled players, at a lower rank than they belong, muddying the water even more. Sure, over 500 games, things will even out, but that’s ridiculous. In OW1, I knew I was playing at my skill level at the time, there were frustrating games but I knew when it was my fault, and my rank was deserved. I guess I’m just venting, and I know this kind of information isn’t new, but I thought I would share my experience. If I could sum up my comp experience in OW2, I would say: random, frustrating, at times exhilarating and fun, confusing, and unclear. If you read all of this boohooing, thanks!

UPDATE 2 WEEKS LATER: I’ve since climbed to Plat 2 with the same ~50% win rate (~55 games total played). The biggest thing I am noticing is dps diffs. Most of the games I’m winning feel pretty easy, still having those games where I end up 20-0 or something (had a 62-6 yesterday). The losses are usually hard fought losses, with the occasional enemy stomp. In the losses, the enemy has typically had superior dps that get picks at the start of the fight, and we have to back off quick or just get wiped. Still having horrible luck with leavers (~10 total out of 55 games) and my internet disconnected for the first time in years, making me a leaver on one game as well :(. The weird thing is it doesn’t show that game on my history, not sure what happened there, but my account was suspended for 15 mins. Struggled against Rammatras with good healing (he just wont die). I can really only play once or twice a week, so its tough to stay sharp and grind out wins. Still baffled by some of the people I get put with. Usually its a dps locking sombra or something and ending the game with 5k dmg and a 1 k/d, with other players at triple their stats. I’ve had diamond tanks on the other team that were easy, and others that were decent, but very few that actually outplayed me. I would gladly wait in 10 min ques for teams where every player is within 2-300 SR of each other, regardless of mmr, but it looks like that’s not happening.

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It seems you pretty much understand how it works. The matches are made based on your mmr which is in all likelihood much higher than your visible rank. They use your mmr to create a match that will have close to an even chance for both teams to win, so there are games where you will be expected to carry just to even have a close match. It was like this in OW1 though as well. They’ve just widened the acceptable range of skill players can be within the same lobby.

I just climbed an account 8 ranks up over the course of over 100 matches, with a perfectly even 50/50 winrate.

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Ok thanks, it’s encouraging to know you can go 50/50 and climb, I know I just need to play more. Had some bad luck with teammates leaving games too and 23 games just isn’t enough of a sample size really.

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That is pretty much my experience as tank as well.

One game has masters and diamond players in it (on role).

Next game has some silvers and maybe a bronze.

Next game plats and diamonds…

Winning and losing is meaningless, ranking up is meaningless.

I ranked up on paper a lot, still can’t avoid supports that are completely lost in a dive comp (low gold) even though I should have ranked up beyond that handicap.

:face_with_head_bandage:

Overwatch 2 has no competitive integrity.

You’ll get gms complaining about gold and plat in their games.

I dont know why blizzard thought this was good for the game because its mostly a miserable experience.

But sure enough you’ll get the people who will come in and say this is fine.

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It does feel meaningless, thats a good way of putting it. Im going to have to play hundreds of games just to see where I actually belong. It will be frustrating. Im seriously considering getting a new account. I did that before in OW1, immediately placed diamond, and stayed there. That or find a support duo to play with. Ive heard tons of stories about people stuck at a rank, getting a new account, and ending up multiple ranks above where they were (plat to masters for example). Now im hearing tons of people who are saying they are ranking up and they dont feel like they deserve it (who actually ever says that?) …super confusing.

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My point is that ranking up is pointless.

You still get rando silver dps and supp on your team.

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This. ^ Exactly this.

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Yeah youre right. You can climb to diamond and still have low golds on both teams. It really doesnt make sense to matchmake teams like that. 1000 sr gaps obviously a horrible idea.

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Ranked is very weird right now. Blizzard said they will be implementing adjustments to ranked in the mid season patch, but I’m not holding my breath for anything substantial. So I’ve just accepted that this is how its gonna be and work on improving. Somewhere between the match making bs and bad luck is room to improve and climb. Everything else is out of my control and stressing about things I can’t control isn’t going to make me feel better.

I still enjoy the game and I know I’m getting better and that’s enough for me.

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It seems to primarily match role ranks, you will get games where both tanks are gold, but say you’re high diamond dps, there will be a dps on other team same rank as you that you are meant to outperform/take out to get the win. After that it just matches total team mmr.

Once you start understanding the current system better, it’s actually not that bad and sort of unique, just annoying with locked profiles to figure out the best approach in some games. Also if you are sitting at 50% winrate that early on, you are definitely max washed, as it’s waaay easier/faster to rank up in OW2 currently. I just started playing OW2 a few weeks ago and easily climbed to diamond 2 or masters on 3 diff accounts on tank and dps in a very short amount of time with 65%~ish winrates by the end, my peak in OW1 was only mid diamond and I used to be way better at this game.

Yeah, I’ve played some more and am checking enemy ranks, I played against a diamond tank, we stomped them, and it moved me up to Gold 1. Most of my games are either stomps by my team or a close game that we lose (with the rare stomp by the enemy team). I’ve also had a bunch where we dominate the first half then lose the battle of attrition in the 2nd half. I do need to take accountability and play better thats true, but as it stands I’m averaging 11.4k dmg per 10 with a 5 k/d (and those are the actual numbers, not making it up). Stats aren’t everything and I know I need to make impactful plays, but some of these games we’re losing are so confusing. I guess it just feels like if I don’t carry my brains out, we will lose for sure and that’s frustrating. I had a kings row game yesterday, started 18-0 on attack, and lost on defense. I was 39-8 with 24k dmg (the next closest was 15k). At this point I know I’m just complaining but wow is it frustrating. It is possible that I’m having bad luck not just that I’m washed.

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I played with my Diamond 2 friend when I was gold 1, his account is now Diamond 1 and my account is now plat 4. Every game was masters and gm players in both DPS and tank. We had a Masters 1 DPS we played against who destroyed our DPS and then next game, that same DPS got destroyed while on our team because the enemy DPS was GM. lol I was excited to see him on our team and immediately disappointed about the results. Still not sure why I am playing in that elo with a plat icon.

And that’s the real issue. The rank icon you receive does not match the players you are playing against. It’s like paying Lambo prices but receiving a honda civic you are forced to drive in. They are matching roles to keep them similar but the spread of elo in a game is insanely high… tooo high.

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Yeah it’s pretty messed up and if they don’t fix it soon this game will be dead. Personally find it a unique OW experience though, you can almost always tell early on who the high rank hard carry is on the other team and who are the dogsh*t gold players you can farm and punish all game… then decide if you’re good enough to duel their carry or focus farming their crap players instead. Lot of weird little intricacies this matchmaking has introduced that you can capitalize on if you pay attention.

Your story happens to me a lot with tanks, which is waay worse, often late at night one team will have a top 200 gm 2-4 tank and other team will have a masters 4-5 tank, nothing is more unfair than this from my experience. I’ve yet to see a low masters tank win in this scenario, the gap is astronomical. Only fun there is watching the replay to see how hard they carried, I’m usually baffled how good they are.

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Yep, I’m gm 1 all roles and tried open queue since I wanted gm there too and I got placed plat 4 lol. Shortly stopped playing open queue after that placement

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They are saying they don’t feel like they deserve it because it’s relatively easier to hit a given rank than it used to be. People are referring to it as rank inflation.

Apparently they’re fixing this in season 4. Ranks going to be adjusted. No more losing 900 sr at season start.

That’ll reduce the number of high mmr players at lower sr, and help sr mean something.

I might try comp then.

No idea my actual skill level. I was bronze tank at end of ow1, then stomping noobs 18-0 and 30-1 in ow2.

Of course, not sure I can be bothered with tank queues…

Yeah i guess thats another reason im frustrated. I was high plat to mid diamond in many seasons of ow1, and im playing much better than i used to on my best role. Then i hear about rank inflation and all these people feeling like they did nothing to earn their rank. Then you have me sweating my balls off winning stomps againt diamond tanks and losing close, baffling games. And Im climbing with a losing record, its so weird. Mostly its just annoying that it places you gold after destroying placements and then puts you with such a range of players. Ive since climbed to plat 4 and its been only a week, but jesus is it hard work.