Literal Bias Towards Mercy. (PLEASE READ)

[Kyanite-11227]

There are Mercy mains in bronze and silver that doesn’t change the fact that the SR abuse was real and documented

SR abuse will always be a thing though.

During dive meta mediocre D.va and Winston mains were able to climb hundreds of SR. I had a friend who was a 2800 Genji main or something but then when dive meta came around he played Winston in a 4 stack and got to masters in like 4 weeks. I myself was able to climb like ~400 total sr as D.va even though I’m not great as her, you just follow your Winston and spam matrix right?

During the Junkrat meta Junkrat mains were also able to climb lots of sr with not much ‘real mechanical skill’. Now that Junkrat isn’t very meta its left many Junkrat one tricks in tiers way above what they should be if they were to play other heroes, struggling to win, I have several people on my friends list in this situation.

During season 10 before Brigitte was fine tuned Brig one tricks were able to climb hundreds of SR, which was helped by the brawlier meta at the time (Rein, Zarya, Hanzo).

SR ‘abuse’ will always be a thing, it’s not just a Mercy specific phenomenon. Mercy was just like this for longer. The problem Mercy mains have now is not that they can’t one trick her to masters and gain crazy amounts of SR, it’s that they can barely maintain their SR with her. I’m not exactly for one tricking, but you should in theory be able to at least maintain your SR with one hero, even if you can’t climb.

[Reverendpaqo-1797]

You literally didn’t say anything about this being limited only to “healing output” then proceed claim to be extremely specific when my entire calling you out is based on the literal words you posted.

If you’re holding the balance consideration of mechanical skill requirements in order to be acceptably capable to only healers, then that is prejudice; applying different criteria against a certain population or group purely based on superficial identifiers. You literally have 2 choices in regards to your initial post:

1. You believe Winston who requires no mechanical skill (even less than Mercy even) should be worse than heros like Hammond and Orisa who do.

2. You are prejudiced against Mercy (and we can probably also throw Brig in here too since she doesn’t require mechanical aim either).

That is based on the literal words you posted. Not me, you.

[Qwazi-2242]

I’m frankly fine with Ana being more powerful and having a higher winrate than Mercy at GM and Master, and perhaps even Diamond even though it should be getting a lot closer there. Mercy has a low skill-ceiling and until that is raised then Ana should be getting more from her kit in the hands of really skilled users. I do wish that Mercy’s skill-ceiling was raised though…

That, however, is not where I think Mercy’s problem lie. I simply think they have gradually nerfed her without keeping enjoyment into account, which has left Mercy boring and unengaging. Fun is subjective, but to me personally she was ruined when the enjoyment I got from playing Mercy no longer outweighed the energy drain I got from insults and toxicity just for playing Mercy.

[Undertone-2728]

I feel this video is in a sense is the problem

Thanks for the highly informative video, enjoyed it a lot.

Stop undermining the moderators?

Not undermining the moderators at all. If you’ve been actually paying attention you would know it was moderator that looked at the evidence and removed my silence for being falsely accused of a “real life threat” by your little sub-group.

gatekeeping thread got checked by the moderators and was clean.

Of course, it was. Nice try with the false reports though.

anything he says now is honestly just fluff

That’s how I treat 99.9% of your posts but you keep coming back for more love

SR abuse will always be a thing though.

Not in the way Mercies did using mass rez.

During dive meta mediocre D.va and Winston mains were able to climb hundreds of SR. I had a friend who was a 2800 Genji main or something but then when dive meta came around he played Winston in a 4 stack and got to masters in like 4 weeks. I myself was able to climb like ~400 total sr as D.va even though I’m not great as her, you just follow your Winston and spam matrix right?

Anecdotal evidence to be honest but even if I do take it seriously it’s still better than pressing Q. Dive required skill and a lot of communication to perform well. Pressing Q on point, not so much.

During the Junkrat meta Junkrat mains were also able to climb lots of sr with not much ‘real mechanical skill’.

Junkrat could be countered, it also didn’t last long at all. Mass rez, not so much.

During season 10 before Brigitte was fine tuned Brig one tricks were able to climb hundreds of SR, which was helped by the brawlier meta at the time

I have yet to see evidence of this myth of silver players going to masters in weeks.

Regardless, everything pales to gaining massive amounts of SR by just pressing a button.

I’m not exactly for one tricking,

One-tricking is bad period.

You literally didn’t say anything about this being limited only to “healing output” then proceed claim to be extremely specific when my entire calling you out is based on the literal words you posted.

You need to re-read OP original post then. Yaaawn, it’s pretty clear for anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension I mean healing output. I wouldn’t be comparing friggin Mercy’s DPS capabilities compared to Ana, you are getting ridiculous at this point. Check context amigo.

If you’re holding the balance consideration of mechanical skill requirements in order to be acceptably capable to only healers, then that is prejudice; applying different criteria against a certain population or group purely based on superficial identifiers. You literally have 2 choices in regards to your initial post:

Comparing tanks to supports is a false analogy. Making an analogy between the interaction between Winston and Orisa and Mercy and Ana is a false parallel.

and we can probably also throw Brig in here too since she doesn’t require mechanical aim either

If you’ve been paying attention you would know I’m actually pro-Brigitte and I don’t think she is OP. In fact, the same place where Mercy was blatantly OP and a must pick for 7 months - guess what, vanilla Brigitte was not a must pick in OWL.

You guys should give up using this silly strat over and over, stop taking statements out of my specific context and trying to apply them in general so you can “defeat” an argument I never make. It’s getting boring at this point.

Mercy has a low skill-ceiling and until that is raised then Ana should be getting more from her kit in the hands of really skilled users.

A sensible opinion.

[Kyanite-11227]

Dive required skill and a lot of communication to perform well. Pressing Q on point, not so much

Junkrat could be countered, it also didn’t last long at all. Mass rez, not so much

Regardless, everything pales to gaining massive amounts of SR by just pressing a button

Wait, are you mad at Mercy players climbing with pre-rework Mercy with mass ress, or post-rework Mercy with Valkyrie and rez on e…? I thought this thread was about Valkyrie Mercy. Mercy mains only really started climbing loads with rez-on-e Mercy.

[Undertone-2728]

@Kyanite-11227

Wait, are you mad at Mercy players climbing with pre-rework Mercy with mass ress, or post-rework Mercy with Valkyrie and rez on e…? I thought this thread was about Valkyrie Mercy. Mercy mains only really started climbing loads with rez-on-e Mercy.

That means you weren’t around for the SR abuse during the Hide&Mass Rez era.

"Only bad Mercies hide & rez"

789 votes, 93% upvoted 620 votes, 89% upvoted Top upvoted comment (103 net upvotes): 541 vote, 93% upvoted Literally has 3 sections about hiding. There were more similar threads but they didn’t get nearly as much traction as these. Also, there were literally multiple “mercy hiding spots” guides out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_bV4Mw-hGI And here’s a good example of it in one youtube video. In fact, there’s quite a few more examples of it in other videos, most invol…

[DvaSlaysEU-2809]

Not undermining the moderators at all.

insinuates that they can’t differntiate between false flagging and genuine CoC breakers.

If you’ve been actually paying attention you would know it was moderator that looked at the evidence and removed my silence for being falsely accused of a “real life threat” by your little sub-group.

Wanna know who silenced you in the first place?

Of course, it was. Nice try with the false reports though.

Keep saying something you can’t prove.

That’s how I treat 99.9% of your posts but you keep coming back for more love

Same here. Fortunately, I don’t ever do this with anyone else since it puts a hinder on actual discussions.

[Kyanite-11227]

I joined in season 4 when Mercy still had mass rez. But at that time Ana was definitely the most picked in top tiers and pro play, some people lowkey thought Mercy was a throw pick in GM. Ana as a main healer or Lucio + Zen together were much preferred.

I’m not advocating for mass rez, it was unhealthy. But mass rez didn’t artificially boost Mercy mains, the majority of boosting was just after the rework when rez-on-e was instant.

[DvaSlaysEU-2809]

But mass rez didn’t artificially boost Mercy mains, the boosting was just after the rework when rez-on-e was instant.

Climbed to super high GM after the rework. People still try to say that she was reworked for balance purposes.

[Carver-11965]

I think you have to factor in that there are so many people who never show up on the forums or even pay attention to these things. The first year I played the game I didn’t even know there were patch notes or anything like that, I just logged in and played. So for her to have such a sharp statistical drop, you can’t just say ‘well the people complaining aren’t playing her anymore’, because statistically it’d be really difficult to show a rise or fall in a characters stats just based on the ruckus in the forums.

(Basically, I know the forum folk are only like a small portion of the actual game players, so it’s a pretty big change, that means that actual players who have no idea changes were even made are probably feeling a difference and avoiding her as a character now. It won’t account for all of the stat drop, but at least a portion of it.)

[Kyanite-11227]

Yeah, reworked Mercy was much more overpowered than mass rez Mercy (again, not insinuating that mass rez Mercy was healthy either, don’t attack me).

[DvaSlaysEU-2809]

I won’t. At least you’re not stating an opinion as a fact.

[Carver-11965]

Yeah, reworked Mercy was much more overpowered than mass rez Mercy (again, not insinuating that mass rez Mercy was healthy either, don’t attack me).

She really is, and I miss Mas Res Mercy. At least she was impactful to play and also I could fecking kill her. These days it’s almost impossible to kill a Mercy after the first 30 seconds of the game because she’s always got Valk in her back pocket, and I can’t kill that fecking fairy monster.

[Undertone-2728]

insinuates that they can’t differntiate between false flagging and genuine CoC breakers

Clearly they can tell. That’s why the Gatekeeping thread survived all the false reports of your sub-group.

Wanna know who silenced you in the first place?

The system? I got a system message my account was on hold and silenced until a moderator reviewed all the evidence from what I recall. I appealed it immediately and got in touch with a moderator who reviewed the evidence and removed the silence.

Keep saying something you can’t prove.

I can’t prove it was falsely-flagged? Cause it definitely was flagged and hidden until a moderator cleared it.

Same here. Fortunately, I don’t ever do this with anyone else since it puts a hinder on actual discussions.

Oh, I know I enjoy having a fan to follow me around in every thread and comment on everything I comment

[Kyanite-11227]

I think they should’ve just capped mass rez at 3 and given it a cast time with line of sight.

That way it can win a teamfight going awry if she gets it off, but it can still be countered (directly by a stun/killing her, but perhaps she gets booped away from most of the corpses and only rezes one). That would also limit her ability to completely change a fight by rezzing all 5 teammates, but still be impactful, and encourage using it when one of the allies alive is one that can protect her during rez.

[Undertone-2728]

But mass rez didn’t artificially boost Mercy mains

This is well-documented, you should look it up.

[DvaSlaysEU-2809]

Clearly they can tell. That’s why the Gatekeeping thread survived all the false reports of your sub-group.

Completely missed the point I was making…

The system? I got a system message my account was on hold and silenced until a moderator reviewed all the evidence from what I recall. I appealed it immediately and got in touch with a moderator who reviewed the evidence and removed the silence.

Damn, you get silenced for false flags? I just thought that the system only silences you if you say something specific that is definitely not allowed. Meh, I wouldn’t know since that never happens to me. My bad then.

I can’t prove it was falsely-flagged? Cause it definitely was flagged and hidden until a moderator cleared it.

That was obvious. Now prove the second part of what you said:

Of course, it was. Nice try with the false reports though.

Either you’re talking about me or the sub-group you keep referring to. Pick one and provide evidence accordingly.

Oh, I know I enjoy having a fan to follow me around in every thread and comment on everything I comment

Oof, so arrogant.

[SuccubusNTTV-1422]

I would trust Blizzard’s devs any day over you or some other one-trick Mercy main when it comes to balance.

Whoa, there buddy. I thought you hated assumptions.

I don’t main Mercy, and I don’t one-trick.

I do, however, support breast cancer charities.

Whatever you say amigo.

Glad we agree.

I said a sizable portion of the community and the Pros, plus the devs agreed that Mass Rez was bad and unhealthy mechanic, hence why it’s gone. It is a well documented fact just like the SR abuse and everything else I said. Mass Rez doesn’t exist in the game currently which by virtue alone supports my claim.

I love the circular reasoning here. The rework exists therefore the rework exists therefore the rework exists.

Blizzard needs to be PC in general because a corporation always needs to be mindful about lawsuits of any kinds.

If you think patching their own game has any liability for a lawsuit, I’m not the person who fails to understand how PR works.

And you still didn’t answer my question. Who would sue?

[Reverendpaqo-1797]

You literally didn’t say anything about this being limited only to “healing output” then proceed claim to be extremely specific when my entire calling you out is based on the literal words you posted.

You need to re-read OP original post then. Yaaawn, it’s pretty clear for anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension I mean healing output. I wouldn’t be comparing friggin Mercy’s DPS capabilities compared to Ana, you are getting ridiculous at this point. Check context amigo.

If you’re holding the balance consideration of mechanical skill requirements in order to be acceptably capable to only healers, then that is prejudice; applying different criteria against a certain population or group purely based on superficial identifiers. You literally have 2 choices in regards to your initial post:

Comparing tanks to supports is a false analogy. Making an analogy between the interaction between Winston and Orisa and Mercy and Ana is a false parallel.

Point to where you literally state this requirement for mecahnics in order to be good applies only to healers. You yourself said you are extremely clear about what you mean and to stop implying things you don’t write, so I am not implying ANYTHING and taking it LITERALLY word for word exactly as you wrote it.

Mercy doesn’t require mechanical skill to play. Ana requires very high mechanical skill to be effective.

You cannot have a hero that requires no mechanical skill whatsoever have the same (or actually higher) output as a hero that requires quite a lot of mechanical skill. That is poor balancing, the latest changes address that and in the right direction.

“You cannot have a hero that requires no mechanical skill whatsoever have the same (or actually higher) output as a hero that requires quite a lot of mechanical skill.” That is the exact set of words YOU wrote. That implies that the same consideration applies to ALL heros. Including tanks, including DPS by your own words. Not mine. Yours. That you repeatedly are claiming you didn’t mean or didn’t actually say. It’s not like I expect anything from you since you are chronically defaming Mercy players and anyone who plays her in pretty much every thread that occurs, but I’m not going to let you act like you didn’t just claim literally “any hero” without mechanical skill requirements should be lesser than those with it.

Mercy has a pistol that is projectile based and is very similar to hitting shots with as hip firing with Ana or shooting with Orisa in general. I’d know this because I have an exceptionally high accuracy on Ana, Orisa, and on Mercy. (Also on multiple other projectile based heros for what its worth, but those are all that matter here right now.)

[Undertone-2728]

Damn, you get silenced for false flags? I just thought that the system only silences you if you say something specific that is definitely not allowed. Meh, I wouldn’t know since that never happens to me. My bad then.

Yup, slightly inconvenient but oh well.

Either you’re talking about me or the sub-group you keep referring to. Pick one and provide evidence accordingly.

You know full well who am I referring to, we’ve been doing that tango for awhile now.

Oof, so arrogant.

But you love every minute of it clearly because you keep coming back for more

Whoa, there buddy. I thought you hated assumptions.

I don’t main Mercy, and I don’t one-trick.

I do, however, support breast cancer charities.

That’s why I said OR Bottom line, the devs are definitely more competent than you.

I love the circular reasoning here. The rework exists therefore the rework exists therefore the rework exists.

Nothing circular about it. A sizable portion of the community thinks something is unhealthy, most of the Pros agree, the devs agree with it based on all their data, mass Rez is gone. Nothing circular about it.

If you think patching their own game has any liability for a lawsuit

That’s not what I’m saying but nice try to twist my argument. Anyway, you clearly got nada and I’ve refuted everything else you’ve said so moooving right along.

Here’s the next hero in this ballad:

“You cannot have a hero that requires no mechanical skill whatsoever have the same (or actually higher) output as a hero that requires quite a lot of mechanical skill.”

Literally, in the sentence above I talk about Mercy and Ana. The next sentence is a natural extension of the aforementioned argument I make. That’s clear enough to anyone that doesn’t have the obvious agenda of plucking statements out of context and “defeating” arguments I never make.