Listen blizz. you gotta put your ego aside

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Lets talk. I for one do think that supports needed changes they needed to be nerfed, but your methods are, well, awful. Youre chasing your tail. You buff, then realize it doesnt work and then you revert and call it a nerf. Baptiste changes are a revert, You reverted Mei, etc etc. You need to make MEANINGFUL changes.

What the hell happened to more content? Most of us couldn’t care less about skins. PUT TIME INTO FIXING THE GAME. You refuse to attack the core issues of the game, my guess is because of your accessibility policies. Sure the game is easy to get into and feel impactful with people on your level, great job, but you know what? everyone sucks when they start. Everyone has to learn cooldowns maps, hitboxes, matchups and all that jazz that comes with overwatch. The issue comes when people start understanding and mastering the game at whatever level they play at.

The way you are balancing is only making things less fun to play. Supports keep having their cooldowns pushed back, which i get, theyre impactful, but do you know why they are impactful? because theyre always available for the most part. You introduced the passive healing to supports and made it to where half the times they would need to use it, arent there. they already have another support to heal them, throw a passive on top and youve got a recipe to where so long as the supports work together, they can carry everything.

STOP. Throw the pride away, be real with yourself, yes you have quite the legacy, BUT YOU ARE KILLING IT, because you refuse to accept that youre not doing the right things.

Do these changes nerf supports? absolutely, but not the right way, they just make supports clunky, and less fun. People play games TO HAVE FUN. You know what isnt fun? never being able to use abilities because you put them on such long cooldowns.

GET RID OF THE SUPPORT PASSIVE. it is the source of all your problems. The game evolves blizzard. Even if you never changed anything people would eventually find something that works differently better etc. Right now what you are doing is pushing your players away Youve made Zen a throw pick, youve made the other supports clunky, and youve just reinforced everyones sentiment, that you suck at balancing.

People have learned to play the game now. there are more support abilities in the game now, there are ways for supports to help each other now. YOU NEED TO NERF OR DROP THE SUPPORT PASSIVE. Regardless of what you do, so long as thats available, there are 2 players on the team that never really need to use support cooldowns. You would do leagues better removing it and reverting several nerfs to supports, than continuing down this road.

Youve lost alot of talent, youve had alot of scandals, youve killed your morale. YOU ARE NOT THE BLIZZARD THAT RELEASED OVERWATCH get it through your heads, and do something else, because i say this because i love overwatch you are sucking the fun out of the game and ruining the experience for players in every patch you are consistently failing, doing things that dont work only to revert and then nerf again. STOP. The core problem, is the support passive. Players have gotten better, and if they havent tough evolve or die.

Blizzard im begging you, stop murdering your own games because you refuse to listen.

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No way will they ever do that

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whats sad is i know youre right. Theyve shown they arent willing to listen to the community at all and are going to just destroy the game rather than taking advice from its audience.

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Because the audience doesn’t know what it wants

They want tanks that are strong and able to make space; but not too strong that they get kills easily

They want a large diverse dps role; but complain the INSTANT a non favourite is meta or strong

They want supports to heal them; but not strong enough to actually matter

There’s literally no winning.

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People need to understand that the devs usually listen to feedback and then do what is wanted their way. So every time they do like half of what people want. It’s how it’s always been. Even with OW1 and even with Jeff. You can’t expect the community to dictate everything they do. That just sounds like a boring job I’d definitely quit.

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I think its more so different people want different things, all of which are at least a little biased.

Sometimes you gotta say no, and people wont like it, but its for the better of the game

i hated the widow range nerfs, but youll never hear me say it didnt make more heros viable. Sure one of my favorites is weaker, but alot of my other favorites are stronger thanks to it.

I enjoy all the roles, but for different reasons, and im not every player, not by far but i can tell you, one of the main reasons i liked supports just got gutted. I like saving players, and i think you should be able to make huge plays as supports, i also think you should have to manage your resources, which IMO, they dont really have to currently, just look to the other support and duck for cover no resources needed.

They need to put effort into making each role feel impactful in its own way. Pick a theme and stick to it.

Let tanks be the stunners and the space makers, let dps be the damage and let supports be the saviors, the play makers, but most of all, you HAVE TO leave room for mistakes and every role to fail and succeed. When you win every game ez pz you get bored, when you feel like you cant make impact you get frustrated. There is a solution, but blizzard wants to have their cake and eat it, which simply will never work.

Thank you for your input. I think this is a very important discussion for the future of overwatch.

god bless.

oh i can see that trust me, but the issue is its not working. they keep having to go back on their changes for a reason.

like in what universe are the zen changes nothing but gutting the character? seven seconds are you kidding me? the main reason you pick him is so easily countered he may as well have been deleted. I want this game to feel the way it used to. I want to enjoy the game win or lose i want to like all roles rather than the flavor of the month. It breaks my heart to see my favorite game decaying.

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It’s Couldn’t Care Less. Everyone gets that wrong.

Otherwise, yeah, agreed.

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oop ill fix it, thank you!

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Whether it’s an issue or not. They’ll never do a word for word nerf that people want. It’s always going to be a half way strat. You say you know but you aren’t used to it.

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Ngl, I’d like to see not just the support role passive removed but all of the role passives removed in general. They were a mistake to begin with.

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i think the dps and supports could definitely be removed, but i do think the tanks need the cc passive, maybe not the ult charge, idk if you played before but being a pinball for all the cc in the game was never fun.

I just hold out hope that we will break through to them and they will see the error of their ways

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Nah balance will be like this forever. Also this was their “big” patch. So next patch will be smaller balance wise probably.

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Heartbreaking honestly. Overwatch has so much potential, they just need better developers in all honesty.

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I guess it does make sense for the tanks who lack mobility to have the CC reduction, but I’m not so sure the tanks who have high mobility necessarily need it, i.e., Winston, D.Va., and Ball.

On these characters, the knockback reduction and stuff just seem a bit excessive, especially considering that kind of CC specifically is what’s supposed to keep them in check.

I don’t know; that’s just my opinion, though.

I did play back then. Lol

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the community isnt smart as a whole, so its a good idea that they ARENT listening to the ‘forum community’

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to be fair Blizz have shown they still dont care regardless of if the community is in as near perfect agreement as a community can be. No one ever asked for 5v5. It was never an option in anyones mind until Blizzard decided that God had spoken and smote a tank slot. The two reactions from the community was in large part a “no, what are you doing, youre just trying to dodge the responsibility of balancing tanks like you did with forced 2-2-2” and the other much smaller part of the community said “wait let them cook” solely because we were left out to dry so long that the game getting nuked wouldve been SOMETHING which was better than the nothing we got for 2-3 years.

Blizz doesnt just not listen to the unreasonable audience, they say they do when in reality all they do is throw random BS at a wall and see what sticks and say “these are the 2 changes you get for the next 2 months, enjoy”