so, basically the same as the character literally made out of the souls of two gay guys. sounds like LOL.
yes he is important to jackā¦heās important in who jack is today and what jack had to leave behind in order to protect the world. he even says this. vincent is a big motivator in what he does and he was forced to leave that behind because he couldnāt dedicate the time needed to make a relationship work.
but just as heās important to jack iād say emily is important to tracerā¦ingrid important to torbā¦what about reaperās family? that was a big drop too and we know nothing about that where we knew things about vincent.
and againā¦liaoā¦clearly someone of importanceā¦we donāt even know what he looks like.
what more do we need to know? do we need a comic or story of them on a date? they havenāt spent time on many of the other background characters why should vincent be the new exception? heās there to help fill out the world a bit and give (even more) backstory to 76. i donāt see how itās forced when it gives more insight into who jack is and why heās so dedicatedā¦itās more than just āmuh dutyā now. if anything it would be forced to expand more on a supporting characterā¦this one specifically when weāve had other supporting characters that have just as little to them.
but againā¦focus on the heroesā¦more lore will come from their supporting cast if we know more about them. and since we know the most about ana, reaper, soldierā¦i think itās time to visit heroes we know very very little about.
Guessing because his relationship with Jack ended about 30 years ago. And heās then moved on and started his own family. Thatās why heās different from Emily. Emily is pretty irrelevant, but at least sheās not completely throw-away.
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i hate to ask this, but how do we know liaoās gender?
EXACTLY
we donāt even know thatā¦liao is one of the original six and we. know. nothing.
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still, that short story had more lore to it than some people are realizing. i enjoyed some of the character development and history it set up. we even learned about characters that werent even present for the story. and that whateverās behind gabeās mask, itās still somehow recognizable as him, albeit disfigured.
oh yea thereās a good amountā¦pharah knows ana is aliveā¦but sam doesnāt
vincent
reaperās family
reaperās weaponry is more than just simple shotguns
ana taking on a new identity
now āfriendsā theyāre going to meet up with.
rienhardt canāt stealth for s***
everyoneās focusing on the vincent part
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that ana was married to sam, too. thereās the āconfirmed straight characterā people are demanding. we learned more about jackās personality too, not just his sexuality.
I absolutely loved Jackās and Anaās characterization. It ticked all boxes for me. This is exactly how they are in most fanfics and the fandom has always loved it. I am very thankful.
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sexuality or not, the story made me appreciate canon soldier more. that heās not the super strict, no-nonsense, always angry type he plays up to be in the game. ana even described him as a kid at heart. a kitten. etc
Emily doesnāt add much to Tracerās lore, but Vincent adds a lot to Jackās lore. But if the writers completely disregard Vincent from here on out, itās just bad writing. You donāt go and put so much emphasis on this one past relationship only to then turn around and not dissect it further.
Ingrid is never focused on, and while she is āā important āā to Torbjƶrn, she is not important to his lore. Sam was probably important to Ana, but itās not that important to her lore. Gerard and Vincent on the other hand are characters that have plenty to do with the story of Widowmaker and Jack, and Iād expect them to write more about it, not just throw important parts of a heroās background, motives and characterization out the window.
Vincent is an exception because he is not just a background character, he is part of Jackās plot in the bigger picture. Emily and Ingrid are just significant others that are used to humanize a character. And frankly, Vincent is BARELY a character to begin with. We have a picture of him when he was young, and his name. Nothing else. No interactions with Jack, nothing.
Iām not saying this is more important than something else, but if they donāt focus on this aspect going further, Iām going to be pissed. And it would be a stupid as heck reveal. If they wanted to reveal Soldier as gay, they didnāt need to include a complete non-character to do that. They couldāve just talked about Jack wanting a normal life, finding a >>>HUSBAND<<< but how that dream seems detached from reality. Thatās it. But no, they went ahead, and made a character that a lot of Jackās story revolves around, and what gives him his characterization and motives. So Iām sorry if Iām expecting them to write more about this.
Michael did say heād love to do more lore on Emily and how Tracer/Emily met.
Oh yeah, this is the biggest and best lore drop since the beginning. People complaining about a few paragraphs detailing family lives and relationships because one of them is gay are missing the point when theyāre yelling how we need āmore lore.ā
This short story was the more lore we were asking for. Itās literally the only lore drop since the beginning that offers us looks into the past, the present and the future. Other good lore drops such as Retribution and Moiraās release were too much about the past. This however? This doesnāt screw around.
It gives information on a variety of past events, character connections and details weāve been looking for. For example, one of my favourite things is the reveal that after Anaās disappearance, Gabe sent McCree to personally look for her. Anaās disappearance was pretty close to the Swiss HQ incident. Gabe sending McCree to look for her means a lot for these two characters: it means that Gabe was still very much interested in OW and was loyal to it until the very end (or was at least still loyal to Ana, enough to send his best agent to find her) and it means that McCree was still there until the very end. McCree leaves Overwatch before the explosion and knowing that he was looking for Ana shortens our time gap between him leaving and the explosion. It also kinda heavily implies that his leaving was influenced by him failing to find Ana in the first place. It mustāve affected him deeply; OW lost their second in command who vanished without a trace, heās no longer good enough to even find out what happened to his beloved mentor.
It tells us something about Anaās connections. Sheās keeping the relics she found for Dr. Faisal! Wow! So Ana knows the lead archaeologist from the currently unknown archaeologist faction that works in Petra and Ilios (Ilios being the only map without lore). Possible hints that maybe weāll get a hero relating to this faction? Or at least more lore on them? Why does Ana have contact with that person in the first place? My excitement is through the roof about this.
It also finally progresses the story. Ana and Jack deal with the issue plaguing Cairo and they forge a plan on teaming up and going after Reaper and Talon. This is progress we havenāt had until now. Itās two characters teaming up in canon and moving the plot into another segment.
Not to mention that there are two past missions from Overwatch history mentioned (Prague and Cairo) which are both candidates for the new Archives event. Archives about the mission in Cairo to shut down the god AI? Sign me up right now immediately.
I also like the explicit mention that Jack couldnāt have possibly gathered all the information on Reaper on his own and the explicit callback to the fact that he spent some of his time in Dorado. Wink wink nudge nudge that heās getting info, in some way, through Sombra which is more fuel to the fire of Sombra leaking Talon info to people and influencing neutral parties.
Iāll have to re-read the story several times to even begin thinking about all the information that got released with this lore drop.
I sincerely doubt the reading comprehension of every single person who says ābut we need lore and they give us a gay heroā after reading Bastet and only getting the gay reveal from it.
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well, the good thing about overwatch is, itās a new IP, it technically just started. im sure with time weāll get to see it be caught up with other blizzard franchises as well as new media related to it.
yetā¦they havenāt given her the timeā¦emily could mean as much to tracer and why she does what she does just as much as vincent does to jack. we donāt even know how long theyāve been together.
yesā¦all side character relations doā¦but the newest one shouldnāt step in the front of the line for the others
you donāt know thatā¦because all we know about her is she has a ton of kids and makes a great apple pie
againā¦why expand on vincent over her? sheās been around longer. heās no more importantā¦
iāll say it againā¦you donāt know thatā¦because we know nothing about him.
and emily and sam and ingrid could be a bigger part of tracer anaās and torbs bigger picture.
you are saying that thoughā¦you want more lore on vincent but you donāt think more lore for emily, ingrid, sam, or gerard because you think heās inclusion is more important.
emily as of no is as non character as vincent. thatās all iāve been saying.
look i know what youāre trying to sayā¦i really doā¦but what i also see is a bit of bias hereā¦and i see it in this thread from quite a few of you.
donāt jump down my throat here this is an open discussion and iām just saying how i see it.
you want to know more about vincent because soldier is now a cannon gay man and thatās why you want to know more about it. heās not any more important than the other couples in this gameā¦but he is to you because youāre a gay manā¦and this is a big deal for you. and i get that i really doā¦but donāt tell me this one background character holds more importance than others and give me a run around for why you think so.
you want to know more about the gay guyā¦
Yes, I want to know more about the gay guy that was confirmed to be gay, and I want his gayness to be relevant to him and the story going further, instead of being dropped like a piece of information that never existed or mattered, making the initial reveal a complete joke and forced, if anything.
I said it before, if Soldierās reveal was the same as Tracerās, this wouldnāt be as much of an issue. But Soldier was specifically written in a way that Blizzard doesnāt EVER have to talk about Soldier being gay EVER, EVER, EVER AGAIN, while Tracer, Tracer has Emily, which will be part of her for as long as Blizzard letās her. And that is completely effed up.
And I DID imply that I wanted more Gerard x Widowmaker lore, because it is important piece of lore for Widowmaker and Overwatch.
Some highlights:
- Ana calls Jack āa kittenā
- Gabe and Jack were her brothers. I live for big sister Ana.
- Jack feels relaxed around her and even cracks jokes, meaning in his ānaturalā state heās not grumpy at all
- Ana literally drugs Jack because she knows he wonāt rest otherwise
- Gabe and Jack both were devastated by her ādeathā, they āneeded herā
- Jack might have a drinking problem
- He hates being called ācommanderā even as a joke
The gay thing is great, but people are missing out on some darn good food if they choose to ignore the rest
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I think the point of introducing Vincent, is to show that :
. Jack had a lover waiting for him when he enlisted, and he was planning to quit the army when the war would be over
. Jack enlisted to protect people like Vincent, I think that means civilians.
. Jack couldnāt quit Overwatch after the war ended. He took the job, because he wanted to keep protecting people. (and probably because Reyes didnāt want it and someone had to do it)
. He sacrificed his (propably first) love for the world and Overwatch.
Canāt people see all the sacrifices Jack made? And all that self-sacrifice for what? Overwatch being spat upon and ended being blown up???
No wonder why he is grumpy and pissed.
(God I love this man even more now ![:heart:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/heart.png?v=6" ":heart:")
)
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āEarth. Iāve gone through a lot for you. Hope you appreciate it.ā
He really did
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Iām out of likes, but yes. All of this. Thereās so much stuff in the story and itās just disgusting to me that people have the gall to look at the story and declare that the only thing in it is the gay reveal and that they want more lore.
We got more lore. We got it in the best way possible. I hope Bastet is the first of many short stories to come. Itās absolutely the best way to handle lore because it requires less resources to create while providing us with more information in a single release (comics take more time and can pack less words in so).
Oh yeah, this is very clear to me. I was just commenting on this with my friend and how Tracer got a visual representation and a kiss and everything, but Soldierās love interest is in the past and he explicitly says that he canāt commit to a relationship while he has his duties.
The duties heāll have forever. I can be hopeful for a happy ending for him where he settles down finally, but how realistic is that? Soldierās story will not include him being in any way affectionate to another man in a way that would force Blizzard to show us two men hugging or kissing.
Itās ā¦ suspect. In a way, itās good rep anyway, but would mean more if we had other rep to go with it. Like this, it seems to ultimately fall into the same trap where gay men are still a hard taboo when it comes to explicit visual presentation. I can only hope this isnāt the end of it for Soldier or that we can get another gay man rep that introduces more opportunities for the character to be out, open and visible.
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