LGBT in Overwatch Mega(y)thread šŸ³ļøā€šŸŒˆ

I donā€™t want to talk about it

I didnā€™t see BOB in the Ashe skin pic and thought it was Mercy.

Orisa and Baptiste are pretty chef kiss tho

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Iā€™m grateful for Orisa, Bap and Lucio. Those snakes as Lucioā€™s hair are worthy of a legendary tbh.

4th Halloween without a Hanzo legendary knocked me out though. Heā€™s still the only one from the original story brawl without a legendary. Meanwhile Ana has two legendaries and an epic.

Speaking of Ana, I am legally obliged to love that skin because itā€™s an Egyptian mummy so I unlocked it immediately. Iā€™m easily pleased like that. I also unlocked Orisa because thatā€™s my cute terrifying demon horse.

Also that McCree voice line thatā€™s exactly the same as Hanzoā€™s from last year ā€¦ :thinking:

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Im not surprised certain youtubers are trying to cause drama over the sombra skin being made available despite blizzard specifying before blizzcon last year that it would be made available for everyone from the very beginning.

I think there are plenty of other topics you could talk about when it comes to Overwatch and creating drama lol.

true, thereā€™s plenty to complain about. this just reveals who actually follows what theyre talking about and who just makes videos for clicks. on the bright side, the comment section corrected the one I watched quite efficiently, Heā€™s since taken down the video.

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news is out for overwatch 2 as well. I really hope it doesnt mean we lose everything we unlocked in overwatchā€¦

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Iā€™m not exactly exhilarated about the news. I honestly didnā€™t want a PvE mode to begin with. They shouldā€™ve just put a lot of effort into the Workshop and a map maker.

surely they wouldnt still be making more content for overwatch, skins and such, if this ā€œsequelā€ rendered them pointless, right?

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junkensteinā€™s revenge is at least always good. I love the mccree and hanzo interactions in it, and it counts towards the event too.

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What are you wanting?

Legal rights, benefits, recognition is at an all time high. Every employer Iā€™ve ever worked for has been pro LGBTQ.

What is impossible to change are peopleā€™s views and minds, if that is what you are hoping for.

Especially those whose beliefs and are rooted in their religious beliefs and in trying to go there, you risk encroaching on folks religious rights which are just as valid as LGBTQ rights, Racial Eights etc.

Iā€™m just curious as to what more can be done outside of mind controlling people.

I believe the all-time high would have been prior to the proliferation of A Certain Religion, since most civilizations did not have a lot of homophobia before it

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Wellā€¦okā€¦yeah. I mean in modern times.

Well thatā€™s a silly thing to say because peopleā€™s views and minds have been changing since the dawn of time.

The protection of the law and legal rules being written out, thatā€™s the easy part. The other part, the society, is a bit more difficult, but it is not impossible. Thatā€™s a proven fact. Societies change over time; they change their perspectives, their norms and their views, otherwise weā€™d still think slavery and human sacrifice are okay, and we evidently do not even though these things were considered entirely acceptable in many societies for a very long time.

First of, even people with religious beliefs are changing their views because when religions donā€™t change, they die. Every religion alive today has been adapting and slowly changing over time (and space; because religious beliefs, even if theyā€™re part of the same religion, are not the same depending on the area you live in). If they donā€™t adapt, theyā€™re overrun by social changes and new religions take their place. Thereā€™s plenty of religious people who reject the discriminatory roots of their religion and advocate for changes and adaptations to be made for the better good and for the safety and equality of everybody.

And second, religious rights end the moment they endanger someone. If a religion advocates for stoning people to death for being gay, then that ā€œreligious rightā€ is no longer a right and no matter how much people want to argue that, it wonā€™t be true. Once your beliefs put real people at risk, your beliefs are no longer under any sort of protection. Human safety takes precedence. A gay person is in no way endangering a religious person by simply existing, but a religious person preaching harmful and potentially lethal practices and ideas against gay people is endangering others, therefore nobody has any obligation to honor something that can cause kids being kicked out of their homes, poverty, homelessness, injury and even death.

Obviously, I canā€™t stop someone from being angry at the gays ā„¢ in their own home, but as a society we have an obligation to provide public and widely available scientific education to prevent any harmful ideas from spreading. Thatā€™s how, ultimately, we might reach a point where the LGBT community wonā€™t face the problems it faces today (and weā€™ve already made progress on that front in comparison to the previous decades so this method is clearly yielding positive results). Education, awareness and representation are crucial for society to change its view on any issue.

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Very well said. What I meant from a view standpoint is that of religious folk viewing homosexuality as a sin. Most modern day Christianā€™s donā€™t stone folks. The sane, law abiding ones at least. In fact I remember a preacher telling a congregation that ā€œwe need to love our neighbors who are gay the same as any other person.ā€ And that ā€œJesus brought sinners into his inner circle, surrounding himself with those the outside world considered degenerates, unsavory etc. And we should do the same.ā€ So yes, views are changing on a bigger scale.

What I donā€™t like to see are the mom and pop bakers or florists who chose to live by their religious beliefs and politely refuse to make a wedding cake for a gay couple but offer to make anything else instead, only to be dragged through the court system, shutting down their business due to financial loss, yet have the Supreme Court rule after the fact that their religious right to not make the wedding cake was appropriate.

We can love our neighbors and get along peacefully. Neither side should encroach on the other. And there should be zero discrimination on both sides. Thatā€™s my view.

Those stores would have plenty of business still if they just kept it to themselves and made the cake. They have the right to refuse, but thereā€™s social consequences for it now. I wouldā€™ve just made the cake, gotten my money, and bemoaned it in privacy. Unfortunately, I canā€™t really say I feel that much sympathy. Especially when that religion doesnā€™t actually mandate homophobia and itā€™s just upheld largely arbitrarily. Itā€™s not like it was the victims who started it.

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No, we cannot get along peacefully as long as itā€™s legal for LGBT folk to be fired for being gay, or as long as ā€˜ā€™ gay panic ā€˜ā€™ is a legitimate defense in several states which can get you off prison time for killing an LGBT person.

There are no Christians, at least not a majority, that wants church and state to be separate. Letā€™s talk about getting along peacefully when there is no law that religious folk can abuse to hurt LGBT people. Letā€™s, not.

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All bigots have excuses. But the one excuse they all have is other people being bigoted against them. You sound just like every white supremacist who ever tried to convince me to their side. You donā€™t want to get along with straight people because youā€™re bigoted against us. And youā€™re a bigot because youā€™re life has been too easy to make you wise.

How am I bigoted? I didnā€™t even mention straight people ONCE.

So who were you talking about not being able to get along with? Asexuals? Pansexuals? Furries?

Did you even TRY to understand the comment I was trying to make? Itā€™s all fine and dandy to preach about ā€˜ā€™ WE SHOULD ALL JUST ACCEPT EACH OTHER AND BE EQUAL ā€˜ā€™ when there are laws and societal structures that prevent this kumbaya from happening. Itā€™s all fine and dandy to preach about that ESPECIALLY when itā€™s YOU who arenā€™t suffering from these laws or societal structures. Like, thatā€™s completely tone deaf.

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