Let's put DPS nerfs on pause for a while

And start looking at the elephant in the room, GOATS. Obviously a lot of players are growing tired of triple tank triple support.

Well let us be real for a second, when half the cast, all being in the most liked class, are completely irrelevant, there is a problem. Of course popularity of the game is going down, because a lot of DPS mains don’t get to play their favorite heroes. Players and streamers are being pushed into a meta that many don’t want to play any of the heroes.

And yet, I still see people requesting NERFS to the most useless class. I don’t disagree that there might be some overtuned DPS heroes, but it’s far from the real issue

There is a real issue here, huge sustain. Comps are now able to be nigh immortal thanks to massive amounts of healing and armor. Giant healthpools and shield added to that will be near impossible for any DPS to do anything worth a damn. The game is no longer about who gets to kill, but who outlives.

I’m sorry, but the supports and tanks have used the minority card for so long. We love you guys, and we appreciate you, but let us have our jobs back. We need to be able to kill things to be relevant, and we can’t do that if every DPS shoots sponge balls.

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it’s not even the tankiness of the comp it’s the fact that there are tanks and supports that can FILL dps roles. Zen, Brig, D.va, Zarya can literally perform on dps levels while providing healing and tankiness. I think that’s the biggest issue.

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I agree. I don’t know how they would fix goats though. It would be tricky.

i think tanks need a balance patch honestly.

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People would probably complain about tank nerfs

Tanks need to do less damage or supports need to heal less

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I don’t think blizzard cares about complains as long as its for the good of the game.

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If offtanks were just worse dps with easier hitboxes AS WELL as being tied to the very close range they are, they would be terrible.

Look to Lucio on this issue.

You guys are acting as if GOATS is an “I win”-button but it is NOT. In lower diamond I don’t see GOATS that often and even if I do, there is no guarantee it works.

The game needs differenet metas to adapt to different situations. If you nerf all the possible metas, then what is left?

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If off tanks were better DPS with larger healthpools and more survivability, then it’s an even bigger issue.

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Fine, make DPS stronger than tanks and heals. Nerf tanks and heals.

After that don’t complain when no one wants to play tank and heals…

I’m not ungrateful for the support and tank roles. I really am grateful. But right now I’m homeless and jobless because they do my job better than I.

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The problems with GOATS comp is that individually a lot of the heroes aren’t really OP. The only one close to being that is D.va and that’s only at pro play.

We have a couple options to nerf GOATS.

  1. Nerf the stacking of AOE healing by making it’s effect reduced.

  2. Buff Junk,Reaper,Sym,Bastion who are at the bottom but would do quite well vs GOATS due to the nature of their kits.

  3. Nerf tank damage

These all have underlying issues though of making supports/tanks unfun to play and potentially making the 4 mentioned into OP beasts if they aren’t balanced correctly.

No, it isn’t. That’s a fundamental design decision that has been consistent since release. Offtanks are all very low range heroes, and only one has mobility. They are supposed to be menacing at close range, while dps heroes are usually more focused on range, and more bound to the space created by these very tanks.

GOATs is a combination of synergies that makes it so powerful, and removes the weaknesses of the individual heroes. It has nothing to do with tank damage.

It needs more effective anti-tank counters.

That way tanks are geared towards protecting, and not playing aggressively like how the fundamentals of GOATS works.

nerf ana/Moira already

Nerfing Ana will reduce options against GOATs. Neither Ana nor Moira are being ran in GOATs in organized environments.

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you either have to nerf goats, which apparently isnt being played on the ladder, or nerf the OP heroes which Rein, Ana and Moira make up 30% of all hero picks across all tiers right now.

I’m aiming this at the latter.

i don’t understand your point, lucio is very much meta at the moment… Also at the moment some tanks are just better dps with larger healthpools and better utility to mitigate the dmg received negating the fact that they have larger hitboxes…

How to fix the game:

  • Make team comps more map oriented.
  • Introduce a new off tank similar to D.va then and only then look into defence matrix.
  • Add a new healer like Mercy that helps prop up DPS play.
  • Add a new main tank and put Orisas fortify on a resource meter.

In short we need more heros. I dont think we should nerf Synergies cause the game is pretty balanced at the moment.