Lets buff dive again

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title.
simply put i’m tired of people begging for nerfs on two tanks that are honestly fine.
instead, let’s take a more positive route and discuss buffs for winston, D.Va, sombra, tracer, maybe genji (prob not) to help them be more tanky and disruptive towards a double shield comp.
we can also buff up rein a bit as well to also help him contest.

and yes…deleting doomfist is considered a viable buff

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Buff Junk too… he was a hero used commonly in dive

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wdym prob not genji. he needs a little something since he’s so trash in this meta.

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in this meta yes, but not trash in general

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Yes pls, starting with deleting doomfist.

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i AGREE
and thas on periodt luv

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Orisa and Sigma are fine? Good sir, have you lost your mind?

Edit: nvm, i didn’t read the last line, so probably you have lost your mind

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We need a reverted DM’s range, reverted armor, reverted Lucio’s speed.

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Leading hand sanitizers claim they can kill 99.9 percent of germs. Forum Doomfist can kill 100 percent of whatever the hell he wants

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Good idea but i’m having couple of problems with that…

1.Sombra is not a dive character… like Reaper she’s a flank character but since the game dont support this playstyle they amount with Symmetra are the only character for that…

2.Doomfist and Hammond are both divers as well

3.Why deleting Doomfist? He’s totally balanced… Take Roadhog,Mccree,Bastion,Torbjorn,Junkrat,Ana,Moira or Orisa and watch him suffer

4.If you want to buff dive make more support heroes. Moira and Brigitte are 1/4 of the roaster making their apearence 50% in a normal match (Brigitte pick rate is low but Moira’s pick rate is much heigher). adding new support heroes that weak to dive will make the dive heroes better since their chances of runnning into anti divers is lower

  1. If you do insist of buffing dive directly I think the best ways will be:

D.va:
combining D.va’s deffense matrix with her boosters while buffing her deffense matrix. making her a good diver deffender but less like sigma (his kinetic grasp is basicly D.va’s deffense matrix deffensive version)

Winston:
small Bubble buff and damage buff, but a really small one since even currently winston is usually a gold damage but still in most cases there are problem finishing a target.

Tracer:
Small damage buff but a really really small one… I’m not sure it’s a good idea but worth trying…

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Though when her buffs went through (that were originally anti-Dive) she synergized very well with D.Va and Tracer.

Not a traditional Dive comp but sorta like an off-shoot. Like how there was PharahMercy Dive, and Soldier/Lucio Dive in the mix with the Genji/Tracer Dive.

Can we give Winston an Alt-fire? Might negate the need for a direct damage buff.

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  1. She’s fine with dive but it’s harder to actually combine both because of the different needs…
    Sombra’s job is best before being noticed… in order to run dive-sombra you either need to use the dive as a distruction but then leave damage out in exchange for the utility or be super precise with the diving…

It’s possible im not saying it’s not but if you run dive characters it’s much easier focusing the target and killing it even if someone got in a little bit too early instead of hoping for luck…
Because of that I belive Sombra’s place is not a dive buff but either putting her in the spitlight for what she can normaly do…

2.secondary fire might work but I think you can also buff his landing damage in order to make the overall damage higher but not making him too op… Because right now his rocket jump can get a small buff without doing anthing bad

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yeah bring some skill back to this game.

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Protip: you likely never played dive. Only the top 10% of players played dived. Picking the heroes does not mean you played dive.

I mean, this thread already thinks JR and Sombra are dive heroes, so there are your signs

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Found the Doomfist main

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Winston’s suffered a lot of indirect nerfs, so some buffs sound very reasonable to me.

  • Reaper’s gotten nothing but buffs since dive
  • Hanzo’s new mobility makes him harder to keep in Tesla Cannon range
  • Baptiste’s IF makes dedicated dives harder to get value from
  • Mercy’s healing is less effective than it used to be
  • The universal cc changes make D.va and Winston way easier to boop away
  • The universal armor changes makes Winston able to survive less damage
  • Moira’s fade makes her able to freely disengage from focus fire
  • D.va’s DM has less versatility for peel for Winston
  • And Brigitte still provides a lot of peel against dive

I think some small buffs aren’t unreasonable

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Buff dive by deleting a dive hero… I see.

I don’t think Junkrat was, but if you dive a hacked target that would be extremely effective.

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But this pretty much applies to all heroes except for the two or three that are absolutely dominating right now.

Why buff half the roster when you could just nerf the two that have obviously been overtuned?

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On a hero not able to keep up with her teammates . . .

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orisa became meta because every other option was gutted, she was meta before 222 was even a thing. sigma simply replaced hog in bunker comps.

buffing rein (not necessarily a stat change helping his synergies would be huge. lucio, zarya, brig etc.)

and buffing winston (again not necessarily a stat change, buffing dva, and other dive synergies)