Let’s not revert the moth. Mercy was not balanced before, she is in a pretty balanced state now from what I’ve seen.
I remain unconvinced that Mercy has issues that need to be addressed in the first place. She seems fine to me.
Compared to mass rez, no. If a Reaper by himself wipes my whole team, it feels like my or my teams fault.
Now Grav+Dragon combo does feel comparatively obnoxious to Mass Rez, but at least that’s a two-ult combo and not a single ult.
She will not be reverted. Devs said it. End of story. It’s like protesting Trump even though he won fairly
Which people do all the time xD
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Face it people. This game is infested with dps players. And those players see you supports (and tanks) as minions that are there to play target or protection slave.
They will never want to have a support with such a good tool again. And as long as they are the majority, the opportunistic game-developer-whos-name-may-not-be-mentioned will not revert her in any way.
Mass rez with invulnerability was not ok for the player base, so this should go. Don’t just say “leave her alone” because this part needed tweaks.
Thats why she was the most picked hero before her rework, hmh, even at GM in the dive meta.
a lot of players still don’t like mass rez and it wouldn’t be best for everyone.
They already reverted her to a far more worse state. It’s ignorant to say that if the state before the revert was far healthier and more balance than that we have now and that it’s better to go back to a bad state than to a good one.
Cannot believe its been like 6 months and I’m still waiting for this to be moved, that mega thread is stupid.
That being said the reason it’s needed is Mercy mains are unfortunately very wrong on this issue but will not let it die. Current Mercy has problems, I admit that, but that does not mean rez as an ult and reverting her is the right idea.
She was stupid OP with that ult as it undid team fights in the way Lucio or Zen do, but was better than them (ish) and was on a hero that can also fly around and get gold heals every game, it was simply too good especially when compared to Moira and Ana who’s ult’s are simply inferior. The game cannot be balanced and include a main healer with the ult of an off-healer, that is simply too powerful no matter what.
The stupidest part of this though is Mercy is still pretty OP, rez is an amazing ability that nothing else rivals. While Mercy has problems the simplest fix to deal with her from a balance perspective is to remove any rez mechanic from her, is that what you want. By keeping this stupid argument going your risking losing a lot and there isn’t much to gain, sure Mercy isn’t great but she’s fine, she’ll do. Considering the chaos that will follow even the slightest change to Mercy (thanks to this endless debate)Blizzard will not touch her, defiantly won’t make her more complicated, and will be drawn closer and closer to the delete rez approach, not the revert which is never going to happen.
I felt like mercy just needed a few bandages on her rez, like LOS and a cast time.
Like she went into a operation room for stitches and they did a fully failed heart transplant instead. Stupid way to handle balancing.
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devs have gone back on their word plenty of times already
no deathmatch (we have it now)
no LFG system (we have it now)
Mei needs fallof damage (recently reverted)
and plenty of other things.
Mercy is not set in stone
We can advocate to make her better
current mercy is obviously not working and still too much
After reading this thread also:
i dont care how many times people will say it mercy WAS NOT REWORKED BECAUSE SHE WAS OP
She was objectivly underpowered and only misused in higher tiers because of SR abuse that rewarded you for huge rez’s.
Only After she got invurnerability did this strategy come about. They then reworkd her and because there are plenty of players that are good with mercy they could use her to her fullest and she became op because rez as a FREE ABILITY every 30 seconds is TOO POWERFUL
that’s why rez needs to be an ult
and it needs to be tweaked like an ult with restrictions or a redesign
But for gods sakes stop lying about how mercy was
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I will take my no invulnerability mass rez “trash tier” Mercy from S2 any day over what we have. CD rez will never work. I was saying that this is a horrible Idea since they announced that completely unnecessary rework.
I want to heal. I want to fly and I want to have my big moments. Not be braindead rez bot who sometimes becomes a mass healing chandelier (Because you don’t want to really move in Valk - it is too slow and your model is completely static. You just hide behind cover above the ground level and hold a mouse button.)
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old mercy had moments she could shine
new mercy is stronger,more solid,but never feels bad*ss
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you do know Mercy 1.0 was a troll pick before they were forced to give her invincibility during mass rez right?
bringing it down to 25-50% dmg reduction instead of a flat unable to kill would of balanced her and stopped hide and seek mercy players (as they’d die trying to use it)
NOOOOOOPE ,A WHOLE BUNCHA NOPE.
I’d genuinely rather have current op mercy over mass-rez mercy ,it was extremely obnoxious to fight ,at least this isn’t nearly as bad as mass-rez in terms of fun.
Mercy was never op before the rework. She was used less and less the high the rank because so many players were able to counter her ult. If you got a 5k and mercy rezed, a lot of teams would have another dps ult to wipe everyone as the they were stuck in the respawn animation.
If they revert her to before the rework and add a LOS check (like every other support ult), she’d have play potential and wouldn’t be the strongest GM support.
On a very unrelated note
If you think that’s why people protest trump, then you’re waaay out of the loop.
I saw so many say the opposite. That E res is far more frustrating to play against and that they would rather go back to Mass Res and tweak that.
You think a Moth which is nearly unkillable for 15s, makes everything only easier for the user and actually has no counters for 95% of the time is not obnoxious? One which can res almost every kill?
You have to explain me that.
You want me to explain feelings ?
Having 3 kills restarted feels a lot worse than having 1 kill reset ,even if the 1 kill reset is more frequent ,I prefer this over the old mercy.
I’m not talking about feelings, but why you think that.
And that although the current version of Mercy is by far the most unbalance version of her, as well as the easiest to use version?
Side note: It was a continuation of a fight, not a restart. Effectively it does just the same as Zen’s Ult, which also just continues the fight.
The live version of Mercy is inferior to the old one and is making obsolete all the other supports lol.
Now imagine if they revert her to her more strongest version lol. I find this post selfish saying “I have my fun and i dont care if my hero is ruining the game for everyone”
If i was on the dev-team. I would give her two ults but i will nerf to the hell guardian-angel giving to that ability long cooldown, removing god-frames in Rezed targets and reducing mercy healing per second to 50