I agree.
In addition, ‘poor teamwork’ reporting is for people NOT trying to complete map objectives.
If the one-trick is participating in team-fights and actively pushing/defending the payload/points it’s end of story, they’re participating to the team.
I feel like the only thing I can do at this point is quote the entire second half;
"You don’t HAVE to listen to your team if we ask nicely to please play Lucio even if you suck at it. You don’t HAVE to purchase GTA online ingame items to PLAY IT.
But the way it’s set up now, purchasing in game items is the only way to have fun in it. if you want to make that argument about not trying to HAVE at an effort to work effectively in a TEAM shooter, both Gypsy (the guy who criticized this behavior) and me have NOTHING to say to you respectively. youtube.comwatch?v=-_2W3uojhwg
You don’t HAVE to switch even if we ask nicely to go Lucio or Mercy… But that is the origin of toxicity in this community."
One tricking ruins Overwatch, regardless if it is a genuine reportable offense. It’s acceptable in a QP environment/casual: a competitive environment? I think not. Why don’t you think Aimbot Calvin and Kephrii (two competitive players) are not on a OWL team?
And I don’t believe I mentioned anything about throwing a tantrum. In fact, I believe I said something on the lines of “Asking nicely” even though they completely ignore you. Once again, even asking nicely to play something you might be garbage at to reach the ultimate goal, victory (why else would you play a competitive game mode and please don’t give me some golden weapon excuse), and you still ignore the team by refusing to swap out, don’t you believe that that’s the problem here?
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I suck at Widowmaker. My winrate is atrocious. But as long as I actually try and dont jump off the edge, it’s not throwing and I’m fully allowed to. I’ll never swap when my team wants me to, because I enjoy Widowmaker, and I’ll never join comms because I don’t want to endure the abuse. Who cares if 5 people who are willing to flex and still lose, and my hero choice is at their expense, because I’m the one person who refuses to swap in a competitive mode?
Sound bad?
Good.
Replace every time I say “Widowmaker” with “Mercy” and see how suddenly I’m the victim and will get 200 upvotes on every thread, on these forums. Suddenly the devs will dedicate a whole dev update video to defending you. I’m no longer the bad guy if it was Mercy.
I’m sick of being a flex player and losing tons of SR to one tricks, not necessarily Mercy. I’m sick of having the forums and the devs defend this behavior in a competitive mode, when they can just tell the one tricks to go play ANY OTHER MODE IN THE GAME.
I’m going to abide by this, too. If it doesn’t apply to Mercy, it shouldn’t apply to Widowmaker, and so not to me. I don’t care how much SR I lose.
This’ll be downvoted. Oh, this will be downvoted, but that only goes to show you that the Mercy mains(Correction: One tricks) run these forums and hive mind-bully the developers into letting them one trick a hero and never swap in a competitive gamemode. I’d wager they were only pressured into nerfing her AT ALL because the investors were seeing how OWL was getting boring with Mercy/Zen in almost every game, and they had to shake things up to keep them happy."
-A top rated post at one point.
Once again, in no way do you HAVE to do anything I’m suggesting even asking nicely. But this is getting a little ridiculous?
Let’s take little Johnny and his mother. The mother says, “Little Johnny, you go out there and try your best! You play Clarinet and don’t listen to what anyone else tells you.”
When Little Johnny plays with a renowned Orchestra because they randomly pick some Clarinet players, he squeaks every note he tries to play.
Then the Clarinetist beside him says. “Hey Johnny? I know you love playing Clarinet, but would you mind switching to the snare? You’re much better at playing that!”
“No! My mom says I’m good at playing Clarinet so I’m going to keep playing because she said so!”
The day of the concert comes, and guess which group doesn’t get featured on the front page of TIME magazine? Isn’t that the entire goal of musicality? Creating rich music for others to enjoy?
Now replace Johnny with OW player, the mother with your logic, the clarinet player beside him with me, the randomness with the matchmaking, and the Orchestra with a Comp game.
Again, like you stated, if little Johnny likes playing clarinet (a sym main likes playing sym) they can continue that. But collectively bringing down a team who’s striving for a specific goal who does everything in their capabilities to work around it is… Brazen.
At that point, yes, you’re correct. You deserve a loss if everything in your capabilities failed. But that doesn’t mean a loss could have been prevented.
The bottom line is, until Blizzard say otherwise, one-tricking simply isn’t reportable.
I’ve listened to so many people try and twist the ‘poor teamwork’ definition to fit one-tricks but it does not.
But poor teamwork is SO easily correctable.
Again, I use a lot of hyperbole’s throughout this conversation, but they all stand strong.
Actually, it’s awkward… REALLY awkward… But that little Johnny simile I used actually happened to a degree. A guy in my band played Bass Clarinet. When the time of the concert played, he squeaked… A LOT. There’s nothing wrong with squeaking once, but I would immediately stop playing and possibly adjust my reed. He did not for half the song.
Sure, reporting someone for picking Tracer when it could have been A LOT worse? I got off lucky with that and maybe wouldn’t have happened if we won the game.
But we didn’t, and that’s one of the primary reasons I can see us LOSING that game.
The origin of toxicity is people getting tilted by that decision, because they can’t handle the blow to their ego that someone may want to play a character they enjoy in a video game while still trying their hardest to communicate with the team and win. Except people who actively discourage these players also discourage any communication they might have made because they either mute them or simply don’t speak because of how toxic people are encouraged to be.
And here’s the problem, it’s not your decision, you just recognized it isn’t reportable and made the conscious decision you’re gonna do it anyway, so this conversation isn’t going to go anywhere. You know what you do is wrong but you’re glad to just carry on doing what you do because there isn’t any reliable punishment for it.
I find it impossible to believe you ask nicely or stay that way after they refuse given your willingness to abuse the report system. More often than not I notice that the team in general doesn’t even really care, just one or two people who won’t let the issue go and narcissistically assume they speak for everyone.
Except they do, because you’re holding their account hostage with your abuse of the report system, don’t act like you’re trying to be at all considerate of them.
You aren’t the one who gets to make those kinds of choices for others and you don’t know any better than them, if they don’t want to fill in a role then you’re in no position to make them and that’s all there is to it.
I really hate to leave you with such a lame reply, but would you mind reading the second half to what I said about little Johnny?
That sums up what I said much better, and I rather not blow this up with any more block paragraphs that I need to repeat.
The ‘poor teamwork’ report card is fairly clear when it says:
Poor Teamwork is not - playing a hero not considered optimal by the community.
HOWEVER,
Anti one-trick players are trying to justify reporting one-tricks for ‘poor teamwork’ by saying:
The Griefing report card says:
Griefing is not - simply making a mistake or playing poorly.
‘Poor play’ is not reportable. End of story no matter which way you phrase it, if the one-trick is ‘trying’ that’s all you can ask.
i mean you made a sentence so not very random eh?
It’s an unrelated tangent that I can poke tons of holes in, making up hypothetical situations to advance your argument simply means that it isn’t strong enough to stand on its own.
I’ve already touched on the fact you know it’s wrong so I don’t really see what you’re trying to do at this point, you’re not fighting for any greater good and you don’t have any moral high ground, the devs have stated what the report system is and isn’t for and that’s all there is to it.
Cheeky!
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It’s not an unrelated tangent at all.
I get randomly matchmaked with a Sym main. This is my logic.
“Hey Sym? Would you please mind switching off? I can go healer or whatever just go something else if it doesn’t work out. Thanks.”
No communication whatsoever.
“Alright. If he’s not going to cooperate, work around it guys.”
We still end up losing. A player who is uncooperative to see the better nature of the TEAM’S efforts which we’re striving to achieve is selfish. It happens all the time in society where leaders do everything in their capabilities to succeed and are brought down by something that can be prevetned, and is extended to video games.
If you want, I used to main Bastion. Are you telling me that if you’re a GM or someone who takes prestige in their rank you will allow me to go Bastion on attack without giving it a second though?
Poor Teamwork is not:
Playing a hero that is not considered optimal by the community or staying silent in team voice chat
They don’t have to say or do anything, their hero choice is up to them just as your choice is up to you.
Although I don’t necessarily agree 100% with Blizzard on this:
So… there’s that.
Then we have arrived to a conclusion my friend. We all have choices. If your choice is to go Sym or Torb in any situation you like because you enjoy it, who am I to judge as a flex player? My choices will be for the better of having the chance of ensuring I don’t let my other teammates down.
(Before anyone says it, yes, you can have an urge to win using Bastion or Sym, but realize if you DON’T win, it could have been prevented if said player was more skillful with another character for the situation demanded).
Working as a Lifeguard, this situation was all too real. You can’t just strap someone to the backboard if you only know how to do a spinal. You need to do a spinal rescue, correct straps, water rescue, initiative, call outs, ETC.
Except you assume the Symmetra player doesn’t know what they’re doing despite being matched with you.
This is a passive agressive comment designed to turn the team against the Symmetra player and devalue their contributions.
If you were in GM with me yeah, I could care less as long as you know what you’re doing.
You can shift blame on one tricks but the reality is you were never trying to win that game, you found an easy excuse to lose and you took it so when things went wrong and you subconsciously gave up and shifted that to your team you’d have an easy scapegoat.
If you can’t trust your teammate’s ability to do what it is they do then you’ve already failed as their teammate, they’re not sitting there questioning all of your choices and you should give them that same level of trust.
The issue is the report system is automated (it seems to work on ‘volume’ of reports) and anti one-trick players abuse this by filing false reports against Sym, Torb, etc which aren’t easily detected due to the automatic nature of the system.
This is your first reply in this thread and it clearly demonstrates you’re a player who misuses the report system.
There is no ‘poor communication’ only:
Poor Teamwork is not
’Staying silent in team voice chat.’
End of story.
So people should be allowed to have poor teamwork and refuse to help?
I just want to point out that the “Symmetra” in OP’s thread is completely unnecessary and seems to exist only to get people to feel that OP’s point is valid simply because people hate Symmetra.
You can be a Reinhardt Onetrick, a Mercy onetrick, a Moira onetrick, etc etc etc. Any kind of Onetrick is applicable to this situation. Symmetra is not onetrick exclusive, and other onetricks can easily perform poorly at their job just as much as a Sym onetrick can
Yup, there is that. But that wasn’t the point of the thread.