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what are your goals? If youâre a jjonak wannabe and are gonna be playing on 2000 edpi then you need a hench mousepad? I recommend victsing. Logitech are a great mouse brand and often have lots of buttons, are reputable and have a wide range of prices for how much you care. I think keyboards are just keyboards⌠Mine was ÂŁ10 lol
If you bought a modern xim and have a 250$ budget tho, honestly Iâd just save up for a cheap PC rig that can run OW on the same fps. The game is much much MUCH more competitive and well balanced on PC, trust. I got a gaming laptop 4 years ago (very poor investment) and Iâve used it for 2000 hours alone just to play overwatch and only overwatch. Iâd never go back to ps4 
not to be PC master race but idk you gotta ask yourself what your goals are. If you just wanna be able to play widow and ana on console vs pharmercy stacks then just get a pc. If you wanna cheese 4600 with aim assist kbm tracer/76/dva then go ahead
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this is very difficult but there are some notable advantages and players who have made it work. For example you can use a combination of joystick and mouse to get smoother movement inputs than what most players using a keyboard are capable of, and combined with a mouse can give you some interesting aim. Check our cirrci the 4.7 mei/offtank player who reached rank 1 with this gear on PC after leaving xbox. Thereâs also joystick the NA maintank, altho he mains winston/rein for obvious reasons.
Playing with a controller for aim puts you at a massive disadvantage and really almost defeats the point of playing on pc. On pc the fundamental is that everyone has kbm and thatâs what the game is balanced around. Without that, you have a very strange experience of the heroesâ gameplay imo. Getting used to the movement and aim takes a little while but its MUCH more accurate and powerful to use than a controller
definitely go kbm
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It seems you are a competetive user, since for casual gaming you could literally buy any cheap âgamingâ mouse and youâre good to go,
but for a competetive gaming, cheap mouse can work but itâs got a catch,
cheap mouses apart from cheap materials can have cheap sensors,
while more expensive mouses have higher quality sensors,
and the most important, if youâre playing something that needs a really precise aim like any hitscan DPS for example,
I can tell you why if you want, but easiest is to just pick a brand that is dedicated towards gaming hardware,
as for keyboard,
the first question is doesnât your MSI sword already have a gaming keyboard?
I suppose itâs the small size of the keyboard that can be troubling,
second is just finding a keyboard with the right switches since you like clicky keyboard,
first you could watch a video someone clicking all the keys to have an idea of how the clicks sound,
thatâs as far as my knowladge goes though, because Iâm still using a cheap membrane gaming keyboard, but itâs doing really well, allthough in some games I wish I had Mechanical one, Iâm prob gonna buy one sooner or later,
afterall I spend a lot of time on PC,
one last thing is you could ask if you have irl gaming friends to try gaming on their pcs with their mouses and keyboards,
thatâs most I can think of atm, feel free to ask and Iâll see if I can answer
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Spend $50-$100 give or take to get a decent gaming mouse. Logitec, Razor, Corsair and then get a nice keyboard for $30-$70 and youâre good to go. Donât think too hard about it. My mouse is a death adder elite, and my keyboard is a Ttesports by Thermaltake. Theyâve served me just fine in every game I play.
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The Logitech G502 is my personal favorite of all the mice Iâve used. Itâs got 2 thumb buttons, a sort of alt button on the thumb (lets you either give each button 2 different inputs, or shift to a different DPI), and two index finger buttons in addition to left and right click. Itâs also got removable weights, and a very satisfying weighted scroll wheel. Itâs only $40 on their website right now, so Iâd definitely grab it if I were you.
That leaves you with a ton of cash for basically whichever keyboard youâd like. It depends a lot on what kind of switches you like. Iâd recommend going to a store and checking out their display units. Iâm using a corsair K95 with Cherry MX Blue switches right now, and thatâs pretty good with plenty of tactile feedback. If you want to go even clickier, Razerâs Green switches would be worth checking out.
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Buy a keyboard without the numeric pad to make it narrower, That way it interferes less with your mouse if you want a large pad. There are lots of mechanical keyboards that advertise as gaming keyboards like that. You just need to decide if you want a function key row because many come without it and use an Fn key to alter the numeric keys at the top to get F1-F12.
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Spend most of your budget on your mouse. Iâm personally a fan of the gpro wireless which Iâve used for 3 years now. It only has 2 side buttons, but Iâve never needed more. I used to have one with 4 and I only used 2. I like to add hyperglide feet to mine, but thatâs personal preference. There isnât an appreciable difference in latency for wireless or wired. If you decide on a wired mouse then you should get a bungee.
For your keyboard look for a mechanical one with n key rollover. I have the Redragon K608. It works well for me and its only around $25. Your keyboard isnât super important so long as it doesnât ignore multiple key presses at once(thats what n key rollover prevents).
For mouse pad just get something as large as you can get/fit on your desk so youâre not limited by space. Iâm a low sens player so Iâm biased, but low sens is easier to learn in my opinion so you want a big pad. There are pads that are slipperier and some with more friction. I like slippery, but again this is preference. I wouldnât spend more than $20 on a pad. Mouse pads wear out so be prepared to buy one with some frequency. It depends how much you play, but I go through one every 6 months about. You can extend a pads life by washing it. Most are washing machine safe, but check first.
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First off, all 3 are extremely personal choices.
There are zero good mice for aiming that have more than two side buttons, Iâve looked extensively. Remember that you do have middle click though. Some mice have a reprogrammable DPI button that happens to not be on the bottom but thatâs pushing it.
Knowing absolutely nothing about how you hold a mouse or your hand size, the G Pro X superlight is by far the safest recommendation, but thatâs tantamount to throwing money at the problem instead of doing research on like, r/mousereview. Other safeish recommendations are the razer viper mini, zowie S2C, pulsar xlite wireless, and endgame gear XM1r, in increasing order of size, but you really want to do research on this. Mice are by far the most personal of the 3 and also the most important.
In general though, smaller and lighter mice are easier to do small adjustments on, and generally lead to better aim for most people once they get used to it. Because of this, G502s are heavy and bad for aim but theyâre cheap and popular so a lot of people love saying good things about the one mouse theyâve built muscle memory on. Not calling out anyone specific, it just always happens. People have discovered a supposedly lighter and potentially smaller version going through FCC approvals so there might be hope for these people lol.
Keyboards I use a niche and nonstandard 75% layout and canât comment on specific boards, though I hear consistent good things about the hyperx alloy series, but still ymmv. For clicky switches cherry blue is a classic, and kailh box whites are also really good. Gateron and outemu blues are pretty trash. Gaming typically uses linear switches though, but itâs all preference. I strongly second the people recommending boards without a numpad for more mouse space; I only run a 75% because I want the mouse space of a 65% without losing function keys.
For mousepads, the xraypad aqua control plus/plus II, lethal gaming gear venus, razer strider, and the artisan hayate otsu soft are reasonably safe recommendations and arenât really slowed by humidity fluctuations like most common pads, but you may eventually want a faster or slower pad once you realize what you like. Get one 450-500mm wide if possible, low sens helps with aim.
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This is what I do, OP, and it has made the transition to PC much easier since learning an entirely new movement method using the keyboard is honestly ridiculously hard after 20+ years of using controllers for games. I do recommend it if youâre new to keyboard movement.
For mouse, Iâm using the Razer Deathadder V2. Itâs got two additional thumb buttons on the side that are comfortably placed for a total of 5 programmable buttons, as well as dpi buttons on top you can adjust on the fly. Itâs not flashy but does have some rgb. It just feels really good and has been extremely reliable thus far and was a good deal at around $50-$60 or so.
For a mousepad I suggest a larger one if you have a big space to play on. The freedom to move around it and not worry about mouse falling off is nice.
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Your local office store probably sells a cheaper âgaming padâ if you want to save a few $ there. I got mine and itâs still black with some cool looking symbols over it but it was half the price of a âpro gamer padâ. 
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OP this guy knows his stuff, imo you can pick one from his recommendations. Also a personal favorite of mine is the hyperx pulsefire haste wired, it goes on discount pretty often and is a great budget option and also i personally use it. As the mousepad i recommend the ac+ like the dysvalence said, I used it and its a nice middle ground between speed and control. Keyboard actually doesnt matter that much, for the most part a cheap mechanical kb should be totally fine, I personally use gateron yellows but used outemu blues which are not great but can get the job done. But considering your budget i would go g pro superlight, ac+(or artisan hien if you want more speed) and any mechanical keyboard that you can buy with the rest of the budget.
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OP, just buy cheap.
Buy cheap, decide what you like about your cheap gear and what you donât, and then look for the final choice based on that.
The chances of you finding the perfect fit on the first try is basically zero, so save your money and use the opportunity to experiment.
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Any korean/chinese internet cafe keyboard will work good ($50), head smashing proof, spill proof, can press all buttons at once, mechanical sexy switches, indestructible cable. Users like quality stuff and cafe owners dont like stuff that breaks easily. Perfect choice
Then just choose whatever mouse that fits your hand.
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Agree, a $20 keyboard and mouse combo is already superior to a controller for playing OW.
Personally I found the best upgrade I ever made was going from 60hz to 144hz monitorâŚitâsâŚamazing⌠
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Honestly, KB+M are all pretty much the same. My advice would be to buy the cheapest thing you can, and save your money. Maybe buy some extra RAM or something, lol.
I guess the only thing Iâd say about a mouse, find one that fits your hand well. Iâve used some that are really uncomfortable for the way I use them. But as far as buying a more expensive one vs a cheaper one, youâre not going to notice much difference, if anything at all.
I will say also, I recently bought a âgamingâ mousepad, and that was actually I think the most important investment out of the keyboard mouse and mousepad.
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Keyboard: HyperX Alloy Origins
Mouse: Red Dragon Lonewolf 2
Mousepad: HyperX XL
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I have to make a couple of assumptions here. First, that transferring from console to PC (and asking for advice) you donât have too much experience in using a keyboard and mouse (especially gaming). Which pretty much means youâre unlikely to know your preferences fully yet. Second, I get the feeling that you mostly want a good gaming experience and are not planning to go pro or anything like that. That would mean you mostly want equipment that doesnât explicitly hold you back, rather than giving a tiny edge over the next guy.
Your budget seems fine, itâs about the same as mine. You probably know the general advice already: Look for reviews about the things you think about buying, especially the middle-ground one as those most often include both pros and cons. Try to get your hands on the items in question: At least around here, most stores with dedicated gaming sections have samples of several keyboards, mice and other things for customers to test and handle.
At your price point, yourâe already past the most basic stuff and the âgaming extraâ that a lot of (cheaper) stuff seems to have. At this point what youâre really paying for is durability (a good piece of equipment will last you through several years and updates to your computer); and what you want to look for is comfort. The latter makes getting to test the equipment out very important; even if you canât get to test everything, getting your hands on a couple of friendsâ setups can already teach you about what kinds of things work for you and what donât. And while the lights and such are useless extras (and usually cost a bit extra too), if the piece you find is otherwise good, donât let them stop you from buying.
The keyboard Iâd say is the easy part of the equation. You say you like the âclickyâ keyboards; that almost certainly means mechanical keyboards. They are generally liked by gamers, Iâve understood itâs mostly for the nice responsiveness they have. They give clear feedback on when youâre pressing buttons in a couple of ways, and generally feel nice to use. Others have commented on size and whether to omit some buttons such as the numpad; I like using one too much to leave it out, but if you arenât used to using one you can easily go for a narrower version. The function keys Iâd absolutely recommend keeping unless your desk space is really at a premium, as theyâre rather vital to certain games. Otherwise, youâll want to look for: How far you need to press the buttons (and you canât know its comfort without testing. If they need to be pressed deep, it can quickly get uncomfortable to use); and the noise level of the keyboard, but that mostly depends on your gaming environment. In a closed space, with headphones, it doesnât matter as much (but might still push through); in a common space, it might annoy people you live with; and with an open mic, it might activate you mic and annoy the people you play with. (That said, also invest in a good headset eventually, everyone will thank you for it.)
Mouse is a bit more complex, and Iâd really recommend with going for a relatively cheap option at first (or borrowing an old one from someone) and learning how you use it. Itâs very, very much a personal choice, and depends on now you tend to hold your mouse (essentially, either with the âpalm gripâ with your hand resting on the mouse entirely, or with âclaw gripâ with your palm hardly touching the mouse, and you gripping it almost entirely with your fingertips), how it feel under your hand, how well it supports your wrist, and so on. Youâll need some more knowledge about your preferences before making the investment.
For mousepad, the only recommendation I can give is: Get the largest one your desk space allows. The actual space you need may well be less (depending on your aiming style and preferred sensitivity), but extra space is never a bad thing.
Finally, for reference, my own are Razer Blackwidow Chroma for keyboard (the Chroma part, i.e. backlighting, is indeed a useless extra but the lightless one wasnât available when I bought mine), and a Logitech G402 for a mouse. Both have lasted for a long time (approaching a decade), even when not particularly well looked-after. I have not specifically invested in a gaming mousepad; the one I use is a Logitech one that came with the mouse.
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Razor viper 8k for a mouse
Royal kludge keyboard
Razor gigantus mouse pad(I think) choose the 2nd to largest mouse pad unless u want a desk pad.
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Nah. The cheapest one could be a generic mouse with horrible tracking.
A good mouse makes the difference between being able to turn around quick on a game like OW, or not being able to do it at all (that was my case with an old A4Tech âGamingâ).
OP. About the mouse, you first need to know if you would like a heavy one or a light one.
For a heavy mouse, I would recommend the G502. I have been using that for the last 4 years and itâs perfect.
It has a shift DPI thumb button (you can change DPI while pressing it) and I believe you can remap it to do anything else. You also has two other thumb buttons, also remappables, and two DPI buttons (up and down) for the index finger, on the left side of the left click. Also remappable to anything you want.
If you like lighter ones, the G Pro is really good, but with only two extra buttons.
For mousepad, I have used
Logitech G240 (cloth, (W x H x D) 13.39 x 11.02 x 0.04" / 340 x 280 x 1 mm)
Logitech G440 (hard, plastic, Dimensions (W x H x D) 13.4 x 11 x 0.1" / 340.36 x 279.4 x 2.54 mm)
And I currently have a Logitech G640 (same as G240 but bigger, 18.1 x 15.8 x 0.1" / 459.74 x 401.32 x 2.54 mm)
I went from the G440 to the clothes ones because I live on a dusty area, and the dust was polishing the roughness of the plastic mousepad. I have been using the G640 for like 4 years now and I have no complains. It doesnât even have signs of starting to fray.
For keyboard I canât help you that much. You are going to see what it is available for the budget you have after the mouse and mousepad.
I would recommend to avoid cheap brands that donât use Cherry MX switches.
On Cherry colour code, I believe that the blue ones are the loudest, but you are going to search that by yourself to be sure.
Also, look at reviews of keyboards and how do they sound when typing.
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