Why is refusing to switch heroes not gameplay sabotage? I’m genuinely curious because in my eyes that should count as gameplay sabotage.
No it’s not, because who gets to decide when switching is the right choice? And what they should switch to?
Yeah, more people should ideally switch when countered or to counter the enemy but nah, you simply can’t count it as sabotage.
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It is hard to consider that simply because opinion diffrences. For example: I play Sombra - get into back line, hack tanks, kill healers but my team are not pushing. They yell at me to switch because they think I am a problem. Why should I if I really like that hero and I do good on her.
Thing is you can play around your counters if you are good enought. Team with Winston and McCree sould mean I cannot play Tracer, right? Yet I can keep my distance, bait flashbang and do Tracer things anyway.
And many players “main” so they in their eyes feel they are strongest with a specific hero even if they may be getting countered or under performing.
Someone picks hanzo last, never plays him and just feeds all game. If I believe he should switch to maybe one of his better heroes is that an opinion?
The game was given to people to play. They should be allowed to play any hero. If they are playing bad they’re not sabotaging the game they’re just bad. Denying to swap means that they are worse with other heroes and just shows they are missing practice. isnt really gameplay-sabotage its just lack of knowledge.
If they’re ruining your competitive matches im sorry but like me, you cant do nothing about it. Just be quiet, being rude and spamming people to swap and stuff will land you a Silence. Speaking from personal experience.
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I think you anwsered yourself mate. In their mind they are Hanzo Main who is best pick gash darnit, does best on team. Of course your opinion is correct one and you should report them - feeding IS gameplay sabotage afterall.
If it was just me who thought it wasnt working then it’s probably something I’m doing wrong. If the whole team except for them think they aren’t working then it seems to be their problem.
Ah majority vote. Well still as I said in my Sombra example it isnt always a case. Some heroes have stigma of being throw picks. Even if in current match that is fruther from truth. They will demand to switch because “she is not working”.
Well, Tracer’s an example of a hero who with enough skill, can’t be truly countered so yeah. Widow would be another. But that’s pretty much my point, it’s a personal decision and one that has to be weighed against multiple factors.
Like for the Sombra example, Sombra isn’t truly countered by any one thing but her value rests in how she counters what the other team has and how much your own team is working with you. Personally, no matter how well I’m personally preforming on Sombra, I switch when there isn’t much Hack value and/or my own team isn’t putting out enough damage and aggression to follow up because in that situation, any other DPS will do more. Or Pharah would be a prime example, yes a great Pharah can play around her counters to a degree but no matter how good she preforms, for every hero the enemy stacks that counters her and isn’t countered by her, she’s getting steadily diminishing returns and ultimately should consider if the benefits of having Pharah are still outweighing everything.
But yeah, in the end, that’s all a personal decision and not something anyone else can really decide for you nor can not switching when its optimal, be reported. That said, switching can and does win games.
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On who’s authority is someone forced to switch heroes? Yours? Some omnipotent unseen force?
It’s absolutely barbaric to hold your belief. Shame.
They pick a hero and feed constantly, don’t get kills. In general they aren’t doing good. They’re playing a hero that they’ve barely ever played. So I ask them to switch to maybe one of their mains, they outright refuse. Is that not sabotaging my gameplay?
I don’t think I’m always right and rarely ask people to switch but the fact that it isn’t gameplay sabotage amazes me.
okay and what if the person now swapping tells you to be the one to swap? DO you swap or do you get reported?
I swap if they have good reason and it’s not just one person. Swapping is not difficult and I find it ridiculous people refuse to do it.
Thing is, gameplay sabotage implies intent, such as a person jumping off the map or looking straight down at the floor the entire game. When it comes to people performing badly, the line gets a bit blurred because there are multiple variables that need to be taken into account, and they’re mostly subjective.
- Do they believe they are performing badly? You might say they aren’t doing well based on what you see but they may think they are doing fine. They could be trying really hard and just have bad knowledge of how team comps work.
- Are they only performing badly because of other picks on your team? Say someone switches to Soldier or Mccree to deal with an enemy Pharah, but your team has no shield and so you keep getting picked by the enemy Widow. (Probably bad example, but you get the idea hopefully…?)
- Are they actually performing badly or is it just what you are perceiving? If you don’t know I mean, try playing well as Symmetra etc. No matter what you do, your team will still flame you.
In a perfect world, gameplay sabotage would be acted upon on a case-by-case basis to filter out people who are at least trying to people who are actively throwing matches.
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People should be open to switching even if they aren’t doing bad. If the entire team thinks they should switch because their hero doesn’t really mesh well then why wouldn’t they switch?
I get wanting to play your favorite heroes however everybody should be able to flex. I’m a “genji main” but haven’t played him in more than 1 game a day in six months. Is it really that hard for people to flex to the point where I’ve had to fill every single game for almost half a year?
Got slightly off topic. My bad. If you’re team asks you to switch then why wouldn’t you? It’s just selfish and you shouldn’t be playing overwatch if you’re a selfish player.
I think this is why they removed the ‘Poor Teamwork’ option.
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