Large Balance patch

General Discussion
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GENERAL
  • Ultimate cost decreased by 10 %
TANK

Orisa

GENERAL

  • health decreased from 200 / 250 to 200 / 200

FUSION DRIVER

  • projectile speed decreased from 120 m/s to 90 m/s

PROTECTIVE BARRIER

  • health increased from 600 to 900
  • CD decreased from 10 to 9 sec

FORTIFY

  • duration increased from 4 to 5 sec
  • damage reduction decreased from 40% to 25%

HALT!

  • radius increased from 5 m to 6,5 m

Reinhardt

GENERAL

  • health decreased from 350 / 200 to 300 / 200

ROCKET HAMMER

  • dmg decreased from 85 to 75

BARRIER FIELD

  • health increased from 1600 to 2000

EARTHSHATTER

  • stun duration increased from 2.5 to 2.75 sec

WINSTON

TESLA CANNON

  • ammo increased from 100 to 130

SIGMA

HYPERSPHERES

  • range decreased from 22 m to 20 m

EXPERIMENTAL BARRIER

  • now appears in 6 m in front of Sigma

KINETIC GRASP

  • duration decreased from 2 sec to 1,5 sec

D.VA

GENERAL

  • health decreased from 300 / 300 to 400 / 200

DEFENSE MATRIX

  • range increased from 10 m to 15 m

BOOSTERS

  • dmg increased from 10 to 25
DPS

ASHE

VIPER

  • reload speed decreased from 0.2 (?) to 0.3 sec

BASTION

GENERAL

  • health changed from 200 / 100 to 275 / 75

IRONCLAD

  • removed

CONFIGURATION: TANK

  • while it is active bastion gets 100 armor

DOOMFIST

RISING UPPERCUT

  • recovery decreased from 0.35 to 0.2 sec

ECHO

DUBLICATE

  • after " dublicate " echo returns with hp amount which she had before using it
  • if echo die during " dublicate " she returns with only 25% from hp which she had before using it

GENJI

SCHURIKEN

  • Damage increased from 28 to 30

DEFLECT

  • duration decreased from 2 sec to 1.5 sec

DRAGONBLADE

  • cost increased by 15%
  • can’t be longer dmg boosted
  • dmg increased from 120 to 130

HANZO

STORM BOW

  • projectile speed increased from 110 m/s to 125 m/s

STORM ARROWS

  • dmg decreased from 70 to 65

MCCREE

PEACEKEEPER

  • reload time increased from 1,2 sec to 1,5 sec

MEI

ENDOTHERMIC BLASTER

  • no longer has multifreeze
  • ammo increased from 120 to 200
  • ammo cost with m2 increased from 10 to 25
  • slow effect increased from 20% - 70% to 30% - 90%
  • freeze duration increased from 1,2 to 1,5 sec

CRYO-FREEZE

  • no longer restore ammo

BLIZZARD

  • duration increased from 4,2 sec to 5 sec

REAPER

WRAITH FORM

  • after using it Reaper still has phased out effect and speed boost ( but only 25% ) for 1 sec

SHADOW STEP

  • max radius increased from 35 to 40 m

SOLDIER76

HELIX ROCKETS

  • CD increased from 6 sec to 8 sec

SOMBRA

Stealth

  • duration decreased from infinite to 6 sec
  • can contest again
  • collusion sound much quieter now
  • speed buff increased from +50% to +75%
  • If she get less than 10 dmg while using stealth she will shine for 0.5 sec but doesn’t go out from stealth

Translocator

  • duration decreased from infinite to 15 sec ( or to 20 )
  • Timer starts when translocator hit the ground ( but it still can be used in air )
  • CD decreased from 6 to 4
  • CD starts when Sombra uses TL
  • became unbreakable
  • can’t longer be broken by Sombra

Hack

  • cast time increased from 0.65 sec to 0.8 sec
  • CD from canceling hack removed
  • duration increased from 5 sec to 6 sec ( for EMP too )
  • sugar skull when Sombra hacks someone is much brighter and hacked target’s phrases ( which he says when gets hacked ) is much louder now

DMG

  • spread increased by 10% ( from 2.4 deegres to 2.7 )
  • ammo increased from 60 to 70

TRACER

PULSE PISTOLS

  • fallow range decreased from 13 m to 10 m

WIDOWMAKER

GENERAL

  • health increased from 175 to 200

WIDOW’S KISS

  • no longer has fallow range
  • ammo decreased from 35 to 30

GRAPPLING HOOK

  • CD decreased from 12 to 9
  • can be canceled if Widow receive dmg while using it
SUPPORT

ANA

BIOTIC RIFLE

  • ammo decreased from 12 to 10
  • healing increased from 70 to 75

SLEEP DART

  • sleep duration increased from 5 to 6 sec

BAPTISTE

BIOTIC LAUNCHER

  • Secondary Fire Recovery Fire Rate increased from 0.9 s to 1 s

IMMORTALITY FIELD

  • health increased from 150 to 200 hp

BRIGITTE

GENERAL

  • health increased from 150 / 50 to 175 / 50

ROCKET FLAIL

  • now has same speed as before

BARRIER SHIELD

  • health increased from 250 to 500

WHIP SHOT

  • now has same speed as before
  • Whip Shot no longer active Inspire

REPAIR PACK

  • count decreased from 3 to 1
  • now instantly heals 125 hp , overheals up to 75 armor
  • range decreased from 30 m to 20 m

INSPIRE

  • after every hit with primary fire brig get’s 1 point
  • 1 point = 4 m range of " inspire " ( can be stacked )
  • point disappears after 2,75 sec
  • Brig can have up to 5 points
  • 15 hps for Brig / 20 hps for allies
  • after every hit with primary fire brig activates " inspire " ( doesn’t stack )
  • inspire last 3 sec
  • inspire has no cd beetwen use

LUCIO

CROSSFADE

  • radius increased from 12m to 14m
  • speed buff increased from 25% to 33%
  • hps decreased from 16 to 12,5

MOIRA

BIOTIC GRASP

SECONDARY FIRE

  • attack angle increased by 37%
  • self heal increased from 20 hps to 25 hps
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You have some nice ideas, but this is definitely not the thing that Moira needs.

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It’s so many changes at once I can neither view the patch as a whole nor the individual changes in a meaningful way.

I can cherry pick what I do like but I neither like all of this in a patch nor the vast majority of the needless changes

For example:

Was this needed to be added?

Nope

Does this need to be reverted? Not really

I feel like change just for change isn’t really what the devs like to do, so half this patch being ‘unrealistic’ is a forgiving way to describe it.

Tl;dr- I’m more with Jeff Kaplan on this one: would prefer taking things one step at a time.

What heroes are over/underperforming?
What do players want?
How can we change an interaction without overbuffing or overnerfing a hero?

Stuff like that.

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For the record, Mei’s slow isn’t from 10-80% right now. It’s 20-70. it was 30-90 if you’re looking to revert. You also missed the changes on her ice wall entirely.

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Oh , thanks . i’ll correct it

It’s because i think her wall is ok

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Wants to make ultimates cheaper

Already stopped reading sorry.

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I’m sorry but coming from you I just jumped to see sombra gold and I’m not disappointed

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I’d like to propose that no one can charge their ults while their ults are active/in effect. The idea that Wrecking Ball, Ashe, Torb, for example can charge an ult while players are being killed BY said ults getting charged up is a bit silly.

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What do you think about Brig’s changes ? :open_mouth:

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They’re very original I’d actually like to try them

Barrier might be a bit too much but sounds good to me

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ill hope you mean increase, but ults in general feel like theyre generated at a good pace without dominating the game

okay i guess if you want more of a shieldbot playstyle, which ig is preference

removes any self sustain of orisa outside of her barrier, she wont be able to contest points and would only be playable on first points of 2cp maps like hana and volsk if we forget sym exists

halt is too good at that radius, especially if you dont revert speed buffs

why, dont really recall ever thinking damn if only i could stay in without reloading for 30% longer

makes him basically useless against dive even more than he already was, shouldnt do that much outside of grasp nerf

ball is dead ig

she already does plenty of burst damage with combo

i assume you mean increased, if so you just make the hero feel bad to play as

didnt think anyone would want a bastion nerf but here we are

remove this bit make it 50% min you can come out of copy with see how it goes, id rather just have cds not reset or something like that though

none of this

makes them basically useless, just decrease the amount he has

big nono, cc on primary fire shouldnt be that strong

why

youll have all the golds crying

not needed

would make her meta in too many places

why we giving widow mega buffs?

nerfing ana bad

buffing cc bad

only if you nerf window, he shouldnt get a big buff like this with minimal compensation

inspire is too complex, otherwise made brig op again

only this

not moiras issue rn

overall a lot of changes that to me seem just pointless with no meaning or direction with a couple of good ones splashed in

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Tbh there are some changes that I don’t like, but it’s kind of okay. In my opinion, Brig’s passive is a problem, and with Mei buffs I’d make her primary fire not pierce through enemies

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Probably because she’d have 200ammo
Also
As a sombra main

Super needed
Huge buff for aggressive sombra players, and eliminates the EMP boting and the cheese strats of just hide till emp…
…
Excluding contesting points we don’t talk about it here for now

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its a minor buff for lower ranked players, and a hard nerf for high ranks where scouting is actually a thing

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By " high ranks " you mean OWL ?

Because even in GM scouting is weaker than mobility and regularity and even with 6 sec stealth Sombra can do basic scouting well

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Well, this is certainly a mixed bag. Like the moira change. It’s harder to track now for little gain.

Wait. Why on earth did you gut bastion? What a weird decision.

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Wait, isnt it a buff ? :smiley:

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If it takes 9 seconds to deplete 900 barrier health, Orisa will always have barrier ready to go, and never ever take damage.

At 25% reduction, it’s no better than armored health. Additionally, it will never be needed since Orisa’s barrier will always be available.

At this point, you’re just encouraging more double barrier plays. Which means more damage negation.

Again, encouraging more double-barrier. We’re now able to cover at least 2,900 damage just with barriers alone.

He’s already immune to headshots while in this form, in addition to Ironclad further reducing the damage dealt and limiting the crowd control effects on him. Adding 100 armor here is pointless.

Once again, the game engine for Overwatch cannot do this. When Echo Duplicates, its the same thing as Pilot D.va hopping into her mech.

You’re going to need to come up with an extremely good reason why Pharah’s 120 damage rockets, Junkrat 120 grenades, Sigma’s 55x2 damage orbs, Symmetra’s 120 damage orbs, Bastion Tank’s 205 damage per shot, Hanzo’s 125 damage arrows, and Widowmaker’s 120 damage shots can all be damage boosted, but Genji’s 130 damage dragonblade cannot.

It was underperforming at 60 damage.

Why does Reinhardt get to have 6 seconds on Firestrike for 100 damage per target then? Why does Echo get to have 180 damage potential every 6 seconds?

Could never contest.

The smallest amount of damage anyone can take is greater than 10+ damage.

You’re just reverting it at this point.

So combined, level 1 charge does 45x3 +75 or 210 damage per second with 60% slow. Every 200 health hero will be dead in less than 1 second with no time to react approriately.

Once again, the smallest damage any hero can receive is more 10 damage.

Also how does this work exactly when its cancelled? Does the momentum stop and she just falls to the ground or does the momentum continue and carries past the grappling point?

Then it no longer has a charge.

So it’s slower now?

We’ve been here before, 75 armor is still better than 125 health.

Between these two elements, Brigitte is passively mitigating 15 to 20 damage per second and combined with her barrier, up to 500 damage negated. She’s effectively as durable as Zarya, if not moreso.

Moira doesn’t have this. It’s a fixed a number of 20 health per second.

Basically, it’s shifting everything back into a GOATS playstyle, or (since the composition wasn’t change), pushing it towards a double-barrier composition again.

Most these changes are knee-jerk reactions to forum postings, without really considering their effects on the metagame or the playerbase as a whole.

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If so then why pro sombras like Codey fitzy and mightyy considered It as a Nerf on PTR?

Scout doesn’t matter when you can actually give impact more often

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So… your making… D.Va worse?

300 armor doesn’t affect anything, the regeneration rate needed to be buffed.