Kiriko is OP. Everyone knows it. Do something about it. No Support should out DPS a DPS. Make this make sense.
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OP, suzu is
Upset, heymcfly should be
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yea but she make them that $$$
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That feel when Kiriko on average only does more damage than Mercy and Lifeweaver
And is hard carried by landing 1/3rd of every 3rd shot as a headshot
In GM
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yeah I don’t agree at all that kiriko is op against dps after the nerfs. yes she has better ttk at 10 meters or less, but at longer ranges most dps are favored.
The bigger problem is that she has two get out of jail free cards, while most chars only get one. So the risk she takes is nearly zero most of the time.
But even that, while annoying is not what makes me worried about the state of the game.
The biggest problem is that tanking, instead of being a slow fight of attrition has become about which sup duo has more auto tank saves, and if one side misses their tank save, they just autolose team fights.
The game just plays poorly with one tank because one tank goes down too easily, and most fights end up a steamroll if the tank dies too quickly.
Also the push/escort/hold point mechanics of the game that worked great in OW1, don’t work very well when it’s impossible to hold point or make progress while up players. DPS need triple pick to make up for tank going down, which isn’t always realistic. You end up with a weird dynamic where 1 team won the fight and should be getting distance or point but can’t because of the early tank death. They then make no progress and lose the game despite having done better than the other team.
OW1 was just a better game because the losing team could choose to fight a running retreat with the tank that was still up or decide to die and point and actually stall for a decent amount of time. With ow2, the team that loses tank early has little recourse.
I honestly think suzu and immort field are OP because of the OW2 1 tank change, but it probably would have been fine in OW1.
Remember when if Ana slept a Roadhog with his feet hanging over the edge of the Ilios Well, you could throw down Suzie and it would knock him the half-inch required for him to fall in to his doom?
I want the glory days back.
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Legit the Suzu boop was so sleeper good I would give up the stupid extra healing bonus just to have it back ;_;
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In order to fix kiri they introduced bigger problem – mauga
Her DPS is pretty piss. It’s just that kunai are easy to land in CQC while her hitbox indirectly reduces damage taken, making her advantaged in most squishy duels.
Does she have an aesthetic Counterplay Design problems that feels like she gets undeserved value and a bit too frustrating?
Yes.
Are Supports and DPS on the same tierlists, where you can make direct comparisons to how “Powered” they are to other available choices, given to a single player, when Role Limits exist.
No.
Is it a constructive discussion to try to act like Counterplay Design, and Tierlist Positioning are the same thing?
Probably not.
WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS NONO ;-;
YES BLIZZARD THIS IS A COMPLETE SENTENCe