This character is so annoying to deal with.
8 seconds cd on get out of jail free card with no counterplay.
Can snip people across the map.
Good healing + Immortality cleansed ability on 15 seconds CD (That BTW counters many ults. Imagine your rein do a calculated play and get a big shatter, then this stupid hero press E and cancel his ult. same with orisa, mei and literally 90% of the ults).
TINY hitbox smaller than Ana’s.
OP Ultimate.
All support are good or bad in of these aspects.
Example-
Zen:
Kill Potential: Strong
Mobility: Weak
Healing: Weak
Abilities: Strong (discord)
Ultimate: Strong
Moira:
Kill Potential: Good
Mobility: Strong
Healing: Strong
Abilities: Decent
Ultimate: Weak
Lucio:
Kill Potential: Decent
Mobility: Strong
Healing: Weak
Abilities: (Speed) Strong with right comp, useless in others.
Ultimate: Strong.
And now lets think of Kiriko:
Kiriko:
Kill Potential: Strong
Mobility: Strong,
Healing: Strong
Abilities: Strong
Ultimate: Strong
Bonus; Smallest hitbox in game, and her hand still blocks some headshots.
I am GM3 DPS player and it doesnt make sense that a support player can act as a flanker, kill me or my supports in 1-2 seconds, simply pressing shift and she’s out with no possible counterplay.
NERF HER ALREADY BLIZZARD.
Make her shift like 2 seconds cast time? nerf the recovery time per shot? IDK but do something cus this is just annoying.
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Kill Potential is Strong if you can consistently hit Headshots with her Microscopic Kunai.
Mobility is Strong, but it has a decent Cool-Down and Kiriko may often Teleport into Danger to save her Teammates, because she can’t see the Enemies through the Walls. Just kill her in the 6 Seconds it takes her to GTFO.
Healing is Strong, but she can’t do as much Damage and has to Balance them out.
Suzu is stupid, but that’s because it’s the only counter to Ana’s Abilities, which are more stupid.
Her Ultimate is very Situational based on the Characters and it only works in a straight line, so if positioned poorly it won’t work at all.
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I dunno if it’s just me, but I find landing those kunais pretty hard
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And not nearly as rewarding as Hanzo’s Arrows.
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I find landing headshots not that hard.
Most people in the higher elos would tell you the same.
But even if its hard for you, killing a full HP target in just 2 seconds as a support constantly should not be a thing when you are already strong in almost every aspect.
The kirikos in GM are a nightmare, they just flank you and you die. if you manage to deal alot of damage to her she presses E and she will probably kill you there. if not press shift with no skill.
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Suzu is possibly the most overtuned and broken ability in the entire game. Say you combo EMP with Shatter or Grav, she can just push a button and TWO ULTS are gone? Immortality field has an HP field and the ults still have effect on you. This is just like a “re-do” button. I would rather have mass rez back as an ult before continuing to have this ability in the game.
If the only reason it exists is because of Ana, then maybe you should have looked at Ana. Remember when they introduced Brig instead of looking at Tracer? How did that go?
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Oh yeah I forgot about it,
How suzu counters literally 90% of the ultimates in game.
It should act like a zarya bubble cleansed, like if your rein gets a big shatter, it doesn’t cancel the ultimate.
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I mean, you could just bait out the suzu before you use your ults… but thats just me.
Kiriko dmg is highly dependent on HS and aim and clearing hamster mines is a major pain since she only does base 40 dmg to the 50 hp mines.
Healing numbers are good yes, but since they have travel time they can be blocked by objects if your target moves around a lot and/or it may not reach them in time unless you are in the thick of things with them.
P.S. I am curious why you think Moira ult is weak?
LIST OF ULTS COUNTERED BY SUZU:
NO = 24, YES = 4, PLAUSIBLE = 8
SUPPORT
- Ana = NO
- Baptiste = NO
- Brigitte = NO
- Kiriko = NO
- Lucio = NO
- Mercy = NO
- Moira = NO
- Zen = NO
TANKS
- D.Va = PLAUSIBLE
- Doomfist = YES
- Junker Queen = YES
- Orisa = PLAUSIBLE
- Ramattra = NO
- Reinhardt = YES
- Roadhog = NO
- Sigma = PLAUSIBLE
- Winston = NO
- Hamster = NO
- Zarya = NO
DPS
- Ashe = NO
- Bastion = NO
- Cassidy = PLAUSIBLE
- Echo = DEPENDS (on who is copied)
- Genji = NO
- Hanzo = NO
- Junkrat = PLAUSIBLE
- Mei = PLAUSIBLE
- Pharah = NO
- Reaper = NO
- Sojourn = NO
- Soldier 76 = NO
- Sombra = YES
- Symmetra = NO
- Torbjorn = NO
- Tracer = PLAUSIBLE
- Widowmaker = NO
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Maby moira ult is not weak but its definetely not strong
Literally THIS!!!
This is the only thing that should be looked at in Kiri’s kit, but we cannot do this since she is the only one keeping Ana in check from supports PoV.
And we cannot nerf nade and sleep without gutting ana, so 
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Make Biotic Grenade have 50% Anti-Heal for 6 Seconds and Sleep Dart (and all other Stuns) can be Cleansed by Zarya Bubbles.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say since you’re in GM3 every team has an Ana and the enemy kiriko keeps flanking and killing your Ana, instantly making you lose the fight. And since your Rein (or whatever tank) isn’t getting pumped full of healing he falls over shortly after. If she kills you, pay attention more, if she kills your support, you’re not taking advantage of the hole she just left in her team to go on that flank, or you need to peel, dunno depends on the specific situation.
Because the only way a flanking kiriko is getting that much value game after game, unless you are just extremely unlucky and meeting the absolutely best kirko’s in the world game after game in GM3, is that your team is living or dying off of Ana’s ability to stay alive and you don’t want to have to peel for her/can’t. I think as a DPS your options are to either peel OR pick a high mobility hero and try to make some plays yourself once you notice the enemy kiriko is nowhere to be found. I mean it is possible you are just at your skill cap and this is where you have to start making a decision that is this the rank you are ok with being at or are you going maybe derank for a while so you can practice making some plays on your own to try balance out the aggressive kirikos. If you only play stationary DPS heroes and dont want to have to learn high mobility options, then ok, you might just be hardstuck until you get mechanically better, completely up to you.
This whole thing is happening because kirko players have figured out that just healbotting on ladder just simply doesn’t work if you want to rank up. What’s the point of having zero deaths and 10 elims and 10k+ healing every game if you’re hardstuck in plat? I digress, you just want her nerfed because she’s too powerful of a flanker. Like I said before she isn’t designed as a hard flanker, it takes her a long time to WALK to the hard flanking position (unless if one of those few maps where wall climbing will get her there) but most of the time she’s taking a PAINFULLY slow rotation, you gotta take advantage of that, yes she can get out fast, but she cannot get IN fast (most of the time). You’re in GM3 so you don’t really get excuses anymore, you gotta make plays faster, maybe swap to heroes that can take advantage of that long walk time she’s gotta take. It’s either that or you’re hardstuck GM3, not really that bad of a thing unless you’re trying to go pro.
If you keep applying pressure to her team while she’s trying to walk to her flank, eventually she’s going to be forced to healbot and help peel you off and at that point you can start harassing her directly since she isn’t off in Narnia anymore. Maybe she does need a reallocation of her power so players don’t feel like hard flanking with her all the time is the only viable playstyle, maybe she needs a nerf that’s not for me to say, but think of what you can do now with the tools that you have because with her less than 50% winrate it might be a hot minute before anything happens to her.
And yeah Suzu is a whole separate conversation lol, it might actually be an OP ability on a hero that overall isn’t that OP.
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Kiriko’s winrate in every tier is either last or second to last. She may have OP mechanics but it does not appear to be coming together to cause a whole lot of W’s.
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It’s ow2.0 char design
Mostly op they just tune down queen dmg all the others are very strong in each role
I always thought people of the higher elo even say it’s pretty hard to land those headshots. Even so, I would say it’s best in exchange of her slightly average healing.
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Her glaring weakness is my lack of aim with her
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I mean the kunai is sooo slow. So yeah it’s hard.
They’re basically slightly smaller zen orbs
Kiriko won’t be nerfed properly due to low elo players struggling on her