Every time you say, “just kill zen” or “he has no mobility” or anything like that, you need to think about something.
He has 55% winrate in GM+ ranks. In ranks where people are EXPERTS of killing. So clearly, he is not “that easy” to kill. Or even if you kill him from time to time, it doesn’t solve the overall issue. In your silver ranks, yes, Zen will tremble because people don’t know what is peeling, pinging, dueling. If you are a bronze to diamond player, you will not imagine how come people complain about Zen, and I understand you. But if you are a bronze to diamond zen, it means your team is probably not taking any advantage of your discord orb anyways, so nerf or rework will not change anything for you.
Again, 55% winrate in GM+. Do you even realize how crazy big this number is? Or what you gonna do again, call out GM players for being unable to kill? Currently, on my high masters Support I have 65% winrate on Zen. Just think about it… Yes it will drop when I go back to GM again, but I dare you to kill me on Zen. In order to dive Zen, you need to engage with your team, otherwise it’s 1v5 for you, and you are dead. And your team will never engage because your tank is eating 25% increased damage from minimum 5 possible sources.
And nobody is saying he is not easy to kill or what, it’s just it’s not your bronze ranks where reinhard can just run into backline and kill everyone. Playing a tank against Zen feels diminishing.
If all these arguments are not enough to convince you, then I don’t know what else to say. I would just assume that you are either way too low rank to understand the true power of that ability, or you just like to disagree with obvious things because you think it makes you look smart.
I think it’s not true because you control where you put the discord orb. It’s not hard to adjust discord to your team instead of putting it somewhere and calling on voice chat to shoot that target. Zen was my first main in OW1 and when I was climbing in diamond, you just juggle orb around what your tank is shooting at. Maybe it’s not as broken as 5 man ganging up on one target (but at this point people die without discord lol, 5 people shooting at anything is instant delete for anything but tank with cooldowns) but you still get a lot of value from orb just by shooting at the target yourself + comboing with 1-2 people.
He has one of the lowest pick rates, so only specialists play him, while zen doesn’t have this same situation.
Pretty high win rate for gm ranks, tbh.
Again, very high.
I don’t think you understand how these things work. Top 500 players have less than 50% winrate. So having a char that maintains 55% winrate while being “so easy to kill” is just ridiculous.
OW1 had more shields and two tanks, so tanks could rotate and survive more damage. But now discord is a permanent debuff on the tank.
I’m masters so have played a bit against gm the issue is its not zen problem but whatever peels for him brig or bap.
I also think ranks are a bit inflated currently i think the way I’m playing now I’m more high diamond than masters and many people feel like that too.
Not the heroes in general but it’s easier in solo q for a brig to peel for zen than to set a Winston tracer dive on them.
It can be solved with allowing 5 stacks in gm.
Regarding discord i get it it was oppressive to tanks in ow1 but in ow2 tanks are raised bosses.
Discord on a ball isnt bad.
That said if you want to nerf discord do it such that his duel break points are buffed.
Winrate means nothing.
If we use that then sym and torb need the biggest nerfs in history.
You’re right that he’s strong and could probably be readjusted, but don’t use winrate
But nerfing a hero because they get peel is utterly insane. That argument is extremely emotional and I do not care to even address it beyond a simple “no.” Hope your plea works for the developers, however. They might find it compelling.
Zen simply erases the enemy tank out of the picture when discord is on them. The tank either continues to fight and dies because they only have 75% of their effective health, or ducks out and waits for discord orb to end (only to instantly get it again once they re-peek) and allows the enemy tank to take tons of space. All with one ability. With no cooldown. And EVERY person on the enemy team gets a damage boost from it. It doesn’t matter if Zen is “easy to dive”. When ONE person peels for Zen, he is ridiculous to deal with. Zen’s own damage + whatever peel he gets + discord makes it a liability just to try and clear him. God help you if it’s Brig or Ana as the other support. Especially since there’s only one tank now, Zen doesn’t even need to decide between two powerful threats to him. He sees the tank, tank gets discord, tank is instantly made a squishy.
