Jeff admits that D.Va eating so many ults was a mistake

Just watch the clip:

https://clips.twitch.tv/ArbitraryCarefulPotTBTacoLeft

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But she was hungry. Now she will hangry.

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Yea, it really was a mistake and I’m glad to hear that Jeff knows that.
Maybe we could see a defence matrix rework sometime in the future if the other developers also agree with Jeff?

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But yet hes in a stream with someone who complains about no counters to ult spam :thinking:

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It’s mostly tank and support ultimates that he was complaining about

GOATS is a prime example of it

team with more tank and support ultimates wins

https://clips.twitch.tv/CautiousDarkZucchiniTheThing

dps ultimates have always been trash even without matrix

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Yeah, and a better solution to that is a global nerf of ult charge rather than a single hero that just deletes them.

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so in other words #deletedva

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Thats just a bandaid fix that doesn’t really solve the problem at all.

People can still just use their ultimates all at once and still win a team fight.

I’d rather they adjust ultimates to be more frequent so it feels like an actual third ability with weaker power rather than “lol I win” button, but that would require a LOT of adjusting.

That is literally the opposite of a bandaid fix. You limit how fast people build ult so they can’t spam it.

That is like the most literal way to stop ult spam.

So you want ult spam, just weak ults. That’s still ult spam.

comboing ults isn’t spam. Having an ult or two every team fight is, per hero

That’s not true. He even said he knows that supports HAVE to be as strong as they are because of strong dps ults are. He complained about ults in general.

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D.Va’s Defense Matrix was designed and balanced around a single cast cooldown, fire-and-forget use, not metered on-demand usage.

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People will just hold onto it to make sure they combo it. Increasing the amount of ults spammed at once. People already do that with the slower charging ults. People will attempt to maximize their “i win buttons” in anyway possible.

No, he never said DPS ults

It was tank ults

The complaints against ults were made during 3-3 being played and it didn’t have DPS at all

It was mostly shatter and grav deciding games.

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im sure they also regret sombras hack

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But again, limit how much they can do it. Like if you only have the chance to do that once or twice per point, that ult is a lot more meaningful, and a lot less spammy. You’re not about to throw it away and build another one before the next team fight.

Moba’s do this well. Albeit, moba’s don’t give ult charge for damage and what not.

Yes he did. He said ultimates are too strong across the board. Cited nanoblade as a won teamfight without support ults. And said that support ults make your team basically invulnerable just to counter how strong offensive ultimates are. He also used tank examples like gravitron.

He mentioned all of them. And specifically said offensive ults being so strong is why support ults had to be that strong.

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The problem with the spam isn’t the frequency of use. It’s how powerful they are and how the whole game revolves around them as a result. By not decreasing their powerlevel you don’t actually solve that problem.

If all ults were as counterable as death blossom, you wouldn’t rely on them anymore. And the game wouldn’t be entirely revolved around ult economy.

Maybe I’m speaking for myself, but I’d take a nerf to DM in the form of it not being able to eat deployable ults like Graviton and Blizzard in exchange for returning some of its power so we can protect against regular fire and other abilities.

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offensive doesn’t mean offense

It just means anything that isn’t a defensive ult. Most DPS ults have non-ult counterplay.

And the complaints were mostly about GOATS because it was the most ult-focused meta out of all. Dive wasn’t ult-oriented.

https://clips.twitch.tv/CautiousDarkZucchiniTheThing

That clip is around the same time state of overwatch came out

OMG is that Sigma!? first time seeing him
Looks amazing! Cant wait to play!

Tried him out, Hes a Beast!! Wow! I want to Main him ^^