Many support players frequently say how they are free kills until Moira/Brigtte are introduced.
But Ana/Zen/Lucio have always been able to defend themselves, and if you look at the raw dps of Ana/Zen vs Moira/Brigitte, who are stronger? Ana and Zen (by far). The thing is, Ana and Zen require lots of skill to do it whereas Moira/Brigitte don’t.
I think support’s problem vs dps was never “not being able to defend self” but “not being able to easily defend self.”
Many support mains don’t seem to understand that doing damage should not be easy, should not be “free.” We don’t want a game of Moira beams and mercy beams locking each other and on teammates. Or Brigittes holding m1 in the general direction of each other and then do damage and healing simultaneously.
It’s annoying to see a support player claiming how they are free kills. Saying they are free kill completely disregard the skills required for dps to kill them, and completely disregard the options that already exist to make them not free kill. It’s like Ana/Zen aren’t even being seen as “supports who can defend self” because they aren’t easy.
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At equal skill levels any DPS would always defeat any support hero before Moira and Brigitte. If the support won, it’s because they were of superior skill, not because the contest was even.
Somehow DPS players assume this is how it should be. Blizzard has never, ever said that this is the correct way to balance. Maybe DPS should always lose to supports 1v1. Now, instead of Genji always having an advantage, he’s got a disadvantage vs. two heroes. So what? Seems only fair.
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Ana can defend herself? Against what?
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Yeah, last I checked her bullet hitboxes are stupidly small against enemy targets.
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this is wrong because it s not a supports role to damage. they have insane healing capabilities and support capabilities to boost their teammates up at the cost of being vulnerable themselves. having these abilities, and the ability to kill anything that comes near them is bad game design. it renders entire categories of character obsolete. hence why hanzo is the only dps worth running at the moment. brig does it better in this meta.
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Against Genji running head-first into her with no reflect up.
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When you talk about topics like this you can’t talk about support players or support mains. Because then people are just going to take it personally and start whining and name calling. Which isn’t discussion and helps nothing.
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Oh, right, amazing DPS of Baguette and Moira… So broken it actually causes stack overflow - that’s how high the numbers are.
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Anybody claiming it’s easier to kill someone with genji than with moira/brig is simply wrong. The thing is, once you are good with genji, his TTK is MUCH faster than moira, however it’s harder to achieve max damage potential with genji than it is with moira or brig.
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What person wants to play a hero that doesn’t do damage and doesn’t have high survivability? Before Brigitte and Moira, the supports had neither. DPS players think that the role of supports is to be cannon fodder for them. How do you think this is a sustainable role for the game?
And seriously, “hanzo is the only dps worth running at the moment” is such hyperbole. It’s ridiculous.
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Good Genji can jump over Baguette shield charge and kill her from behind :Р
damn that was embarrassing
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you obviously didn’t read. I said she is better dps than others in the current meta, not in every situation. youre forgetting that she gets damage boosted and discord orbs to chase along with her self healing and 155 hit combo that one shots anything squishy discorded with a damage boost.
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So, 3 heroes are working to kill 1. Riiiight…
Might as well throw in Zarya shielding her and Reaper doing actual damage. OP.
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this is too funny. ana was so good they had to nerf her to near uselessness, and mercy is the most survivable character in the game aside from lucio. they all were good at some point. mercy hasn’t fallen out of meta since her rework, yet you claim they aren’t survivable? The people going after her are skilled. that’s why she dies, not because she isn’t survivable.
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youre missing the point. brig with these things is more than a dps with these things at the moment. you ever consider that? nope you jump straight to “hue hue hue its 3 characters” because you, just like every gold player, have one dimensional thinking.
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Right.
Nerf Rein please. His damage is even higher, especially when he gets boosted by Mercy, nanoed by Ana, boosted again by Orisa and is hammering discorded target.
Don’t you see how stupid your argument is? Baguette is many things - viable DPS isn’t one of them.
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Ana got nerfed into the ground to the point that it took 4 shots to kill a Genji, and as many as 6 shots to kill a Tracer with recall. If Ana won that fight then the Ana player was vastly, vastly better than the attacker. In an even skill matchup 1v1 the Ana still always loses.
Yes, Mercy has good escapability, but she’s probably the worst DPS in the game. Literally any character in the game beats Mercy 1v1. Sure, she can run away, and you clearly think that’s all a support should be able to do.
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An AFK opponent of course.