Ever since the hanzo re work every game is zarya hanzo combos… its so frustrating because it feels so unfair for example hanzos ult goes through all shields/rally/valk/lucio ult if dva misses the eat on either ult its team whipe, if genji misses defect ita a team wipe. The elo im at is still stuck on the 2/2/2 meta and every game has an instalock brigitte and you need another main healer so people dont pick zen becuase its not enough healing right now … how can you counter zarya hanzo combos becuase its so frustrating to see them in every game
Well I don’t think that the combo is op, since Junk, Reaper and others can do something similar to Hanzo on that combo.
The problem is how fast Hanzo charges his ultimate, making it being always ready each time zarya has hers haha.
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The intellegence level of the people on your team has nothing to do with whether or not something is OP. The counter exists, you know that, you just explained what it is, Blizzard can’t be held responsible for your teammates not choosing to counter.
They could provide a way to help you find better people to group with, but they shouldn’t nerf characters due to lack of intelligence from the player base.
I think a Zen ult can out heal it.
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Problem is he can’t. Hanzo’s ult + storm arrows and just -any- other damage from his team outstrips trans except maybe with a friendly Ana grenade buff.
It feels worse than most wombos because you’re helpless to it once it goes off. No shielding, no CCing, no outright killing whoever ulted into grav. Just have to sit there and eat it and hope your support ult will save you, which due to above, it often won’t.
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Not asking for a nerf asking for ways to counter the combo seeing as unless you have skilled dva/genji mains there is really nothing you can do anout grav/hanzo
The other thing that helps is explaining exactly what you said in this thread after the character select screen, without being a jerk about it. (Not that you are now, just don’t be when you explain it.)
“Brigitte can you switch or can we get a third support, because we need a zen to stop grav + Dragon strike, but Zen and Brigitte are not enough healing.”
Don’t just ask people to switch, explain why so everyone knows BEFORE the thing you are trying to prevent happens. If you explain it and it happens the way you said people will start to realize that that comp won’t work againt that combo in the future. If you don’t say anything people won’t learn and it will keep happening.
it is OP because there isn’t a single support ultimate that can stop it, Trance is close, but with any additional damage from any other sources its easily out damaged.
One support ultimate should = 1 tank ultimate + 1 dps ultimate. if you use BOTH your support ults to survive the dragon strike grav combo, then what do you do when the earthshatter comes?
His ult charge was always faster than zaryas which means the combo can only be done as frequently as zarya charges grav.
The only real difference is that now zarya has a lot less waiting to do if Hanzo shoots off his ult while she’s at 90%
Where is the logic in saying that one ult should be enough to counter a two-ult combo?
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Because There are 2 supports to a 6 man team. keep in mind OP references a 2/2/2 meta. They shouldn’t have to counter other supports, they really only have to counter the DPS. Then the tank ults are for CC and zoning.
so Grav/shatter ( no damage, or little damage) +
dragon strike / dragon blade ( DPS ult being a lot of damage) SHOULD =
trance/soundbarrier ( mitigating a lot of damage)
So the support ult doesn’t really interact with the CC of the tank ult, but mitigates the damage coming through, I personally don’t think the little amount of damage should be enough to push the combo over the edge of beating out a trance.
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Nope, as long as you damage boost the Hanzo with Mercy, it can kill through Zen ult.
As if people will damage boost Hanzo in low elos lol. Nevertheless it’s the best you can do to counter grav dragon combo
What competent team is going to launch Grav OR Dragons without de-meching DVa first? What semi-intelligent Hanzo is going to ult with a Genji (or any other opponent) in his face? Further more, with the speed of Dragons’ charge, having a DVa to counter that ult combo means that’s ALL she’s doing, chasing Zarya and Hanzo, hoping desperately that she doesn’t get de-meched and can time Matrix perfectly.
Let’s not even mention the fact that Hanzo can launch his ult into a wall and provide 0% chance of it being eaten or deflected.
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They should maybe…fix that? lol
This is one of the biggest issues with Overwatch and it’s not in the game, it’s social.
People who read forums and watch videos like to assume that the people they are playing with know the same things they do until it’s too late and the game is lost.
Assuming the rest of your team already knows to de mech the D’va before the grav, or to target the Rein shield, or to disengage when the fight is lost, or what a deathball is, or that their support choice is screwing up the comp because of 3 other factors, or even basic counters is a quick road to a loss.
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If they are at your rank why cant you assume they have at least somewhere around as much knowledge as you?
You can if you want to lose.
For example, nothing in the game explain what a dive comp or a deathball is.
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I’ve had teammates who thought Rein was a dive tank.
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I had a guy say he didn’t know what a dive comp was, and told the guy who tried to explain it to him that he didn’t need to know.
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I’ve also had team with complete coordination where everyone understood high level strats.
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I had a guy who shot up the ladder on individual skill because all he did was play other shooters, but tactically he understood almost nothing about overwatch, he didn’t even know all of the character names. ( He was playing in Masters before he knew all of the characters’ names)
Nothing about your rank insures knowledge of the game.
It can’t, but it helps. Dragonstrike does 200 dps, Trance does 300 hps. Damage boost is 30%, so it adds 60 dps for a total of 260 dps. Grav+dragonstrike+damage boost is almost enough to cancel out trance, but can’t kill by itself.
whether its overpowered is debateable what is not for debate is the fact that pretty much every engagment in gm ends with dragons into a grav. Fuey had 1 game where both teams literally ended EVERY engagement with that.
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