Is telling others what to do when they refuse to play their role considered toxic?

I never thought the day would come in which I would have to post on the Overwatch forums, but here we go.

First of all, I’m not the most friendly player in OW. I have been suspended once and warned multiple times for my level of “toxicity” (I hate this word). The thing is, I am an old-school player. I used to play Modern Warfare 2, Modern Warfare 3 and Halo Reach. If you played them back in the day, you would understand a teenager boy becomes a man when voice chatting on them. Naturally, I grew up playing games to try to be the best.

The thing is, we cannot do that in Overwatch. I rarely insult other people, but I’m really picky when someone doesn’t do their job. I often tell people what to do when something isn’t working or they do something I consider unfavorable for the team. If I see a Moira, which is very often, firing damage orbs or damaging instead of healing, I will immediately tell them not to do that. I don’t get triggered easily, but if I’m getting killed constantly because of someone else, I lose my temper. My reactions might not be the most pollite either, but I try to do anything to get the W.

I am an English teacher, and I do the same with my students. I try to be “the bad cop” teacher in order to challenge them to do better. I’d rather have them hating me so that they learn than praising me for my skills withouth having them learning. So I do that with my team as well. Of course, since I have the anonymous state of the internet, sometimes I might go out of hand in terms of language.

But the point is, even when I’m not being rude, I often get smacked on the chat and the reports because I tell people what they should play or do. And of course, nobody likes to be told that. I also play League of Legends, another game in which composition and teamwork are required to get a W. I suck at playing LoL, so I play Support. I actually prefer to be told what to do because I do not know how to play LoL. I rarely get angry at that because I know I’m giving my best.

But in Overwatch, no matter if I give my best, no matter if you tell someone what to do, nobody cares about winning. It’s like if people in this game had forgotten why they play at all. It’s like they forgot what a multiplayer game was made for. And this is very often, every time on QP or Competitive all the same.

When I played on PS4 people said on PC was better. I moved on to PC and it’s even worse. What’s happening with this game? The game is disencouraging people who want to have fun when they want to censor what other people suggests other people to do.

But set aside all of that: tl;dr is telling others what to do when they refuse to play their roles considered toxic behaviour?

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Absolutely, I will drop a report on anyone who even mentions me.

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You hate the word because it applies to you. I’m toxic, but at least I don’t try to justify the fact that I am. Give over.

Can’t be much of a man then, can you? If you’re entire personality and hardship is dependant on playing vidya games.

Maybe don’t lose your temper on a video game, bruh.

You say you’re not toxic then you also say you lose your temper and use foul language in the same text. Do you read what you write?

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yes, it is considered rude/toxic to tell people what/how to play.

just because the team might need a reinhardt in your view. doesn’t mean either of your tanks know how to/enjoy playing that hero. and it is 100% not your place to tell them that they need to swap.

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Is… is disencouraging even a word? Spell checker is having a fit over it.

:thinking:

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I stopped caring about what you have to say when you said you’re a bad cop English teacher… don’t be a jerk to your students, wtf dude. Also if “becoming a man” in voice chat in a video game is your definition of being “manly,” um…nah. Just nah. This whole post is one big yikes, friend. Yes, you are toxic. “Old school” toxic is still toxic, and there is no excuse whatsoever. The fact that you’ve got multiple warnings tells me you’re not a nice guy, because it takes a lot to get warnings, and even more to get an actual suspension. People care about winning, but if someone is gonna be toxic, do you know what people care about more? Pissing off that toxic player AS MUCH as possible. You catch more flies with honey, js.

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I mean no one likes a backseat gamer especially when they’re make obvious mistakes and they blame you for not doing their job

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OP, I wonder what makes you think you’re qualified to tell others at your own rank how to play? They’re as good as you are by the only metric we have.

Less backseat gaming, less micromanaging your team, more focusing on your own play.

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You aren’t a man because you belittle others. Get a grip on your control issues instead of blaming others for your own failure to communicate in a way that is conducive to your goals. Nothing and nobody is making you be rude, you’re doing that all on your own.

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The report system is automated. Context does not matter. As long as you get a certain number of reports you’ll get suspended. That’s why some people will get warnings or a suspension for one-tricking the wrong hero.

I dont think its the idea of telling people how to play that’s considered ‘toxic’ but rather how you go about it.

If you just say “hey X do this and don’t do that” then you run the risk of damaging their oh so fragile ego’s.

But if you make an effort to be kind about it, maybe offer it as an idea or suggestion more so than a demand, the response tends to be a lot better.

I know it’s a pain to have to tiptoe around feelings in a video game, but unfortunately that’s the world we live in now.

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unplug ur mic bruh

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I agree with the OP. If he can get report for being toxic why can’t he report people for throwing the game by not doing their part/role.

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It’s not even about “tip toeing” around feelings, it’s about treating people as human beings and not like they’re in a damn boot camp. He’s not a drill sergeant, and players aren’t recruits, they’re a TEAM, and the game is supposed to be fun, not a nightmare experience. Just like teaching isn’t supposed to be about bullying your students, they’re there to learn, not be belittled and made to feel like they’re stupid. “Bad cop English teacher” was the biggest yikes of his entire post.

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No, the word they are looking for is ‘discourage’.

Nah, there’s definitely a line between being rude and at least trying to be helpful.

You’re not belittling anyone by just giving them advice. The issue lies in how that advice is given, and some people just can’t handle anything less than “flowery”.

You understand your attitude is an example of what I just wrote, don’t you?

Never did I write I am not toxic. I stated that on the first paragraph. But being toxic for telling others what to do? That was my question. One thing leads to the other and so on. Similar to the warnings I receive by Blizzard.

And in real life I do not act like this, because in real life every decision depends on me. In Overwatch, they don’t. I depend on a healer or a tank who refuse to do their job.

I’m gonna take a wild wild guess that you’re not warned/banned for simply “telling others what to do”

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Then make friends in game and group up with people who are willing to work with you, don’t expect randos to just HOP TO and do whatever you say, that’s literally never how any multiplayer game works when you pug it, but being “old school,” you already know that, don’t you?

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Role lock has made this problem worse. Now you have a Moira that just DPS and no one else can switch to support to do her job as healing. So it’s 2 tank 3 dps 1 support.