We are not moving the goalposts. The goalpost for power creep REVOLVES around the meta DPS and the power level they have.
The term itself comes from card games and how new sets would basically just take a mandatory card and reprint the same type of card with slightly more stats. Nobody would care if they had given some worthless card more stats, it ONLY mattered if they increased the power of the playable cards which in terms of the DPS role they CLEARLY did not.
Soldier is a jack of all traits ( pun intended) master of none type of hero. For that reason he wont ever be meta. He is never truly bad and easy to pick up and play, but he doesnt accel at anything in particular in return.
It literally does not. You’re actually trying to redefine the term power creep to uphold an argument, you realize that, right?
Power creep is plain and simple. Are things more powerful than they were? Objectively, yes, they all are. Even if one is now so much better that it completely invalidates all the rest, if all the rest still were buffed past how they were before, they are still better. There was still power creep.
And for the same reasons, he’ll never be “good”. Everything in the game works against him, including multi-barriers, burst healing, healing-creep, armor, and additional flyers.
He’s the Jack of All trades that is probably less effective than Zenyatta. If he’s really supposed to be the “Decent in all situations” kind of character, than he shouldn’t be hard countered by so many of the game’s core mechanics.
That is NOT what power creep is. I am assuming you just do not know what the word means and where it came from which I kindly explained to you. It is a term with a firm definition that is not what you think. This term has been around longer than most of this forum has been alive and means exactly what I said.
Yeah, ok. I’m done with this conversation. You have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.
Im sorry that I am not letting you make up your definitions to words like we are 12. You can tell yourself it means whatever you want, but at the adult table the words mean what they mean, and 30 years of definitions do not change because you wish they did.
Power Creep is literally the increase of power over time, that things that were once seen as “Powerful” aren’t anymore
The DPS role is the literal definition of power creep.
Soldier right now, on live, is stronger than when he was the best DPS in the game during 3-Tank
Yet is seen as too weak
At the same time Soldier only had 20 damage;
Reinhardt had 2000hp barrier
Zarya was able to generate 50% energy per bubble, including damage that effected both, as WELL as higher beam damage
500 armour D.va with 4 seconds of DM uptime
Roadhog being able to 1-shot consistantly
Ana with her 100% heal bonus, 5 second duration Grenade
Mercy with her 60hps and Mass Rez
And Lucio with his 30 metre aura size
Literally every single Tank/ Support listed is WEAKER than they were then, yet Soldier is STRONGER than he was then. Faster action out of sprint, tighter spread, increase in ult generation from self healing, and lower cooldown on Helix.
THAT is power creep
Even in your laughably googled definition (like really, you googled power creep and took magic the gatherings definition). It specifically states how power creep is the effect of new cards coming out that are superior to that of older ones, making the older ones worse. By all accounts, New dps have invalidated Soldier. So even by your own completely misguided definition that has no baring on video games, you’re still wrong.
Stop with this myth. Barriers, damage mitigation and healing are actually weaker now than they were when Soldier 76 was last meta. Ana 100% nade, Rein 2k barrier, D.Va no DM CD and bigger resource, Mercy with 60hps are all gone. Exactly what part of tanks and supports is stronger now than it was before that is keeping him from being meta.
Soldier feels really strong when I’m in games with him. I feel like he can compete with Ashe on equal footing.
If your definiton of being good means being meta then yes he struggles. But he certainly viable. There is a long list of dps heroes i think are worse than Soldier.
hahahahaa
no.
They need to remove the bloom for him to do that.
I mean, you can say that, but when I play Ashe I have more trouble with Soldier on the other team than I do with Ashe, McCree, or Widow.
Good Soldier players are legitimately dangerous now. He’s not a pushover like he used to be.
Sounds like a you issue.
really? she’s got a superior range and more ways to get kills, and has far better burst damage.
and her ult is just… better.
I mean, it’s possible, but he used to feel really weak. But now he feels dramatically better and he feels viable when I play him, too.
No, he’s still really bad. The bloom is what hinders him. You have to shoot in bursts or else you’ll hit nothing.
power creep (uncountable) (collectible games, video games, role-playing games) The situation where updates to a game introduce more powerful units or abilities, leaving the older ones underpowered.
That definition which is pretty on point, CANNOT apply to buffing weaker heroes because they were already obsolete and only can apply in the scope of what is viable right now.
Also if we are going to selectively pick things about heroes to look at back then why not give a COMPLETE image instead of only picking things to help your case:
Back when Soldier had 20 damage per shot (in addition there being no Moira, Brigg, SIgma etc) these were ALL the changes to the heroes that wanted to claim were stronger:
Rein:
Steadfast did NOT exist (this is a pretty huge change tbh)
His hammer swing was 10% slower
He had 2000 HP on his barrier
His ult and charge were both incredibly buggy and usually not in his favor
His head was larger
Ult lasted .5 seconds longer
Zarya:
Adjustments to double dipping on barrier
Grav disables movement abilities (though inconsistent which ones)
Grav radius nerfed
Energy reduction buffed from 2 to 1.6 per second
max damage lowered from 190DPS to 170 (these 2 sort of cancel out)
Secondary fire buffed from 2m to 2.5 meter explosion and the ammo reduced to 20
DVA (she has too many changes for me to type out and do the math on so I am just going to copy paste them since Soldiers damage)
Fusion Cannons
Defense Matrix
Defense Matrix
Micro Missiles(new ability)
Defense Matrix
Boosters
Boosters
Micro Missiles
Boosters
Defense Matrix
Defense Matrix
Call Mech
Defense Matrix
Defense Matrix
Boosters
Boosters
Ana
Biotic damage from 80 to 70
Healing boost to 50%
Nano heals for 250 HP
Ammo increased to 14
Range on nano from 30 to 40
(I think I missed one but I cant find it, but either way ana net stronger)
Mercy
Her entire rework which made her incredibly strong and FAR stronger than she used to be especially at that point (good luck doing a mass res when you were not invulnerable)
Her HPS is 55 from 60 but she has valk instead which is nicer and that super jump glitch which I will count because they refuse to fix it
Roadhog I would list all his changes, but what happened to hog is barriers make him sad.
LUcio (same pasting as before because when they waffle on so many decisions I do not feel like doing the math)
Sound Amplifier
Crossfade
Wall Ride
Again though the definition of power creep is the exact thing I said in the first. Between steadfast, the swing speed, and fixing his abilities, Rein is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than he was in November of 2016 especially when the current HP on his barrier is more than enough to do what he needs to do.
Not on your life. He has a fully automatic weapon, the bloom is necessary