Is Doom just Cursed to be Cringe?

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Even after the rework and all this time to balance him out, this character is still completely insufferable to play against. Its like Blizzard is cursed to make sure Doomfist stays the singular most cringe and infuriating character in the game.

Its not even about his balance state. I dont care about his state in the meta. This is solely about how every time you see this character locked in youre guaranteed that your game just wont be enjoyable. He could be the singular worst tank in the game, and this wont change. Its inherent to his abilities and playstyle as a character.

This is more a rant post than anything constructive, but jesus christ the only good Doomfist is one nerfed into unplayability, because Blizzard cant seem to rework him in a way that doesnt make people want to rip their hair out. This is such a trend with Blizzard where they dont design things to be fun for everyone anymore, and seem to specifically focus on making sure the character is fun solely for the person playing it with zero regards to how it feels to face or be paired with.

Complete sidenote but while Im ranting, literally none of you should ever pick winston right now. This character is useless and so pointless that I wish it was Doomfist. Any person who dares pick monkey right now need psychiatric help

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What do you expect when they try to push a fighting hero into a fps game?

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Trust that I expected nothing less. This character as a failure since he was first added, never once healthy for the game. But unfortunately removing heroes isnt an option, even though id love to do nothing more.

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In what ways is doom cringe? What about him is infuriating?

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they need to remove the 0.15s wall stun on punch and put power back into empowered punch

at this point itā€™s both useless and gives practically no room to follow up on with primary fire, and annoying to play against getting stunned so often

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Im going to say the mix of hyper vertical and horizontal mobility thats blindingly fast with effectively no real cooldown, aka its short enough that heā€™ll basically always have it when he needs it sans if he just punches into 5 people with no back up.

The oversized hitbox on punch which gives him pretty free m1ā€™s that do good damage, meaning his damage isnt even skilled, hes still mostly sets himself up for it for free.

His block reducing all front facing damage by 80% on a 7 second cooldown isnt fun either as this character is hard enough to find vulnerable, and power block can basically guarantee himself enough time to get his mobility back up. This wouldnt be such an issue with old Overwatchā€™s CC, but since McCree no longer has flash there isnt a DPS option in the roster that can punish him for reckless aggression, and its basically down solely to who your tank picks on whether or not power block gets infinite value, or is a completely useless ability. You got a Sigma? Good luck as Doom finding power block value. Got a hog? Hog kinda sucks in the meta and isnt super worth going just to counter a doom. Doom facing basically anyone else? Youre so golden youve turned into a god.

And beyond that, youre encouraged to take awful insane risky fights with doom once your ult is up, as its the singular safest ult in the game. Near instantaneous, fastest map traversal tool, and completely immortal now with a heal built in. Did you mess up a play terribly and are finally at risk of dying? Press R and get out of jail free. People say dooms ult is bad, but theyre basically all just bronzies who think ā€œif it doesnt do damage, its worthlessā€ and cant see the value in having a guaranteed escape from any situation. This character basically has old sombra translocator on steroids.

All of that being said, I dont think this guy is in a terribly good state, these are all just my reasons as to why this character is cringe and will never be fun to fight.
To TLDR this, it can be summed up like this:

More mobility than hammond
has a near immortality level ability in powerblock
Has few counters that counter him too hard, but everyone else can barely play against him
Sets up his own damage too easily, with little counterplay against it
and can escape any dangerous situation when his ult is up, furthering the issue of how unkillable this tank is without specific counters only found in the tank role when not played like an idiot.

I want to reiterate again that I dont think Doom is some overpowered nightmare, because he just isnt. These are all just reasons why heā€™s insufferable to play against and no matter what numbers Blizzard changes, his current kit is too infuriating to fight and would probably find himself banned out a lot (if hero bans get added) solely because no one enjoys a game with a doomfist in it except the doom.

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Honestly apart from his gameplay and the doom players, his personality is a brick, nothing of what he says makes sense, making random wars for the sake of it, for me he is just meh, now it all could be solved if they bring Terry Crews to re-voice him, in fact i would become a Doom Main myself

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Heā€™s by far been one of the most powerful heroes in the game for MONTHS now, and doom mains still try to gaslight us into thinking heā€™s unplayable. That attitude from doom OTPs give the hero a really bad name

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Yea Iā€™m nglā€¦ I donā€™t agree with most of that.

I read it all but Iā€™ll go based off the bullet point tl;dr you provided.

Sure, but I mean even then you could argue hammond has more since itā€™s constant with ball form.

Powerblock is genuinely the WORST tanking ability in the game.

Slows a fast paced hero down to a crawl, completely freeā€™d to be CCā€™d, can be dealt full damage behind him, and leaves him doing nothing. You may not be able to kill him, but you donā€™t need to. Powerblock is useless 90% of the time.

This I flat out disagree with. He has some of the most counters in the game and even if you arenā€™t a direct counter through boops, stuns, immorts, etc. If you roll a wheel full of the hero names, thereā€™s a 75% chance you land a hero who can counter or play around him. Name a random hero, I guarantee you I can name counterplay.

Ties back into my last quote. Lots of counterplay.

Thatā€™s quite literally all his ult is good forā€¦ itā€™s arguably the worst ult in the game. Doom also averages the most deaths out of all the tanks, so even him being unkillable just isnā€™t right.

Like even if you said ā€œheā€™s just not fun to fightā€ I woulda accepted it and moved on or tried to find out why. Maybe too much CC in his kit, I know people donā€™t like. The rocket punch stun in general may not be funā€¦

But unkillable? no counterplay? naaaaaah.

I mean heā€™s not terrible, but not the second coming of christ either. Heā€™s mid tier, especially right now in this meta.

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This is a decent example of the kind of gaslighting Iā€™m talking about. Heā€™s still one of the most played tanks in the game for a reason. Heā€™s a solid A tier (still), heā€™s not mid.

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ā€œKind of gaslighting Iā€™m talkin aboutā€ LMFAO I literally said heā€™s not terrible.

But ram is better right now, hog is better right now, mauga is better right now, and sigma is better.

Doom is on likeā€¦ junkerqueenā€™s level. Mid.

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Yes, this is gaslighting. Heā€™s one of the best tanks in the game, and has been for multiple seasons now. Doom OTPs go through mental gymnastics to try and convince people heā€™s not as good as he is. Youā€™re incredibly out of touch if you think heā€™s mid. Stop with that attitude and people will have a better view of doom.

But honestly coming from you (who constantly complains about doom being basically unplayable) if you admit ā€˜heā€™s not terribleā€™, that means heā€™s close to being OP, tbh.

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???

Midway, bffr.

Thereā€™s no way in your right mind that you currently believe that doom is better than:

  • Ramattra
  • Hog
  • Mauga
  • Sigma

Put away your hate bias for 2 seconds. (yes you have one youā€™re on literally every single post related to doom bashing the hero, his players, and claiming heā€™s the second coming of christ). Look at the leaderboard. Log on, play comp, get to high elo, and play in high elo for just a little bit. I promise you, you will find out very fast how much more youā€™ll see those heroes I just mentioned compared to doom. Mauga and hog ALONE, just obliterate him lol.

I complain about him being boring, blizzard forcing rocket punch botting and catering to his skill floor as opposed to his skill ceiling. Iā€™ve said multiple times in my posts, that even if you want to say heā€™s overpowered or in the upper echelon of tank power thatā€™s fine, Iā€™m arguing for a powershift of his kit.

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Lol, Doom is fine, give me a break. If you cant find a way to kill him thats purely a skill issue; he is very killable. And from all your nonsense bullet points I can tell youve never even tried to play him.

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I deleted my last post to respond to this.

There really isnt any ability to deny what I said. It isnt personal, its complete truth.

  1. You cannot argue hammond has more mobility, as I literally stated in my post that his cooldowns are so laughably low that in just about every last situation he needs it? he has it. This man rotates cooldowns 4 times in a single fight, 1 ability gives him high vertical mobility, and the other gives him the longest singular dash instantly due to a tech. Those are facts about where the character is right now.

  2. Powerblock IS the worst tanking ability, because its selfish and for him alone. It however is NOT the worst ability, its actually disgustingly useful in Overwatch 2. In Overwatch 1 it would genuinely be the worst ability, but with most of the stuns in this game removed there is barely anyone left who can punish doom for using this ability. Yes it slows him down but who cares when you take 80% reduced damage. You say he can take damage from behind but if someones behind you as Doom youve outright screwed up. This ability when used by anyone with a brain doesnt use it as this close range tool, you use it further away as a tool to charge your punch during the neutral game, or still from distance as a way to buy time for your cooldowns to come back up. If you find yourself able to be flanked during this ability, you misplayed. Powerblock IS however very bad when against a select few characters, like Sigma! Which if you read youd realize I pointed out quite directly that this ability either gives you insane amounts of value at the press of a button, or is completely pointless. Thats called bad design!

  3. Id say he outright doesnt. This one Ill isnt so much a flat out truth like the first two, but I still think Im more right in this scenario. Doom can run down just about any hero in the game. Yes most characters can do something about an initial doomfist dive, but thats just about escape. There is no punishing a doom for diving without a couple specific characters, and his cooldowns are guaranteed to be back up twice before yours comes back once. You fail to look further than 5 seconds ahead with this stuff, and it shows. People can escape Doom. Once. Then he gets right back on top of you and the only reason you dont die is because he isnt a character with big enough bursts. That issue is just about supports being too strong, and my deal with doomfist was never his insane damage, which he doesnt have, but with his absurd survivability and chase down that you can do nothing about except run and hope your team helps you, because you cant fight him.

  4. Back to MY last quote. He sets his own damage up too easily! Tell me what youre allowed to do as a character when doom punches you. Because that is the set up for damage im talking about. When you are in the process of being punched away, you cannot play the game. This gives him 1 or 2 free m1ā€™s which deal good damage. Because he isnt overpowered it isnt some guaranteed kill or anything, but ANY amount of damage that youre forced to take since you cant move or use cooldowns is unfun, which is the entire point of the post.

  5. Read through the rest of my post and youll see how I call out dumb bronzie takes like this that are too inept to see the value in having this kind of tool. The risks it allows you to take is unparalleled. It allows you to be the most aggressive and risky character in the entire game with zero fear of repercussion, and now with its heal built in he doesnt even have to disengage with it. He comes right back with all of his health and cooldowns again ready to be impossible to kill unless you have at least 1 of the like 3 heroes that can do anything about him, in which case hes worthless. WHICH IS BAD DESIGN.

The character is flat out poorly designed and unhealthy for the game. Countered WAY too hard by 3 characters in Sigma, Sombra, and Ana. But if you dont have those characters? Good luck ever killing a half decent Doom who actually plays the hero.

And AGAIN let me reiterate. This character isnt super strong! His numbers are bad and its because if he had half decent numbers like the rest of the roster he would be overpowered! Pretty much every issue I have with doom can be boiled down to his survivability without one of his hard counters present, and what damage he does have being too free and skillless to get.

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With respect, I donā€™t have a bias, you do. A few months ago you told me he was unplayable. I am a GM tank player. I explained to you he was the second most played tank in top 500 (showing you proof) and you refused to believe me.

You (as a doom OTP) have it in your head that doom is not a strong hero, and no evidence will convince you otherwise. You complain more than most people on these forums. If Blizzard gave you everything you asked for, youā€™d still complain. You just enjoy complaining.

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So we just donā€™t like reading. Ok.

Like jesus you are impossible to have a conversation with lmfao.

I know what evidence would convince me otherwise. Seeing doom on a consistent basis in my games, people around the community CALLING him a meta hero, etc etc. That hasnā€™t happened.

And again IF YOU THINK HEā€™S STRONG. THATā€™S FINE.

Iā€™ve already explained that. You keep ignoring that, so thereā€™s no point. Iā€™ve already reiterated multiple times that my main point has nothing to do with the actual strength of the hero.

Maybe I have said heā€™s unplayable in the past, Iā€™m not arguing I havenā€™t. Iā€™m telling you my point and argument have CHANGED. I know, insane. But that is allowed.

(even though itā€™s never really changed Iā€™ve been saying that heā€™s been getting more boring and too punchbot focused by blizzard, for literal years. Since dps doom Iā€™ve been saying this)

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Its crazy how you just said ā€œlol wrongā€ and addressed absolutely zero of my points, try again later when you feel like having a brain. From your lack of an actual argument I can tell youve never even tried thinking.

This character is infuriating and bs. Is he overpowered? Nope! That wasnt the point of the post. The point was this character ruins games simply by being picked. Id give him first place in being most unfun character to interact against in this game, read my reasons why and refute them if you dont think so, otherwise try harder than ā€œlol wrong, skill issue lol, Lā€ Im GM and have been for years. There is no skill I have issues with.

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Iā€™ve never found him to be annoying tbh. Would rather have him in all my games than the likes of heroes like Roadhog.