Now that Illari has been nerfed. Is Baptist just better? Does he do more damage and healing? Is Immortality Field better than Healing Pylon?
Just a thought after watching a few videos.
He isn’t “just better” in every way, but sure he’s better in some ways, but Illari is also better than Bap in other ways. Every support has their own advantage.
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They are comparable in power imho. the thing is illari like zen can be the second flex support in a double flex comp with Ana: the best character in the game rn. meanwhile bap makes nano take forever to come up. Just about every support in the game other than like lucio and liveweaver are equally good in my opinion. And ana being the best. the others just vary in power depending on enemy and allied team comp
Baptiste never wasn’t better.
It depends on what your teammates are.
From my perspective, in terms of healing, Baptiste is more consistent than Illari because she relies on a destructible pylon you can’t have control over, and her primary healing is short range and can’t be reloaded.
Immortality field + Baptiste’s shift have more utility compared to Illari’s kit. When it comes to damage, both are pretty effective. I’d say that Baptiste’s weapon is more forgiving in case you’re missing shots as Illari requires to have much more accurate aim.
I love both heroes but Baptiste is clearly the go-to support for 5v5 (just like Ana) since he’s reliable in all aspects (except for healing flying heroes but the occurence of having both Pharah and Echo in your team is pretty low).
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He was always better than her. Baptiste doesnt have any significant limitation on hos healing
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Illari is the strongest support character, but they fill different roles. That’s why you usually pair them together with Bap being the main healer. Illari is more of a DPS character that snipes squishies and Bap is mostly a healer who shoots the tank. But when there’s a match up like Sigma v Sigma, then Bap usually gets more value because he does more spam damage and he has a higher overall healing output.
This is just wrong. ana is the strongest support character, no question about it.
Meta shifted from Ana Brig. Now Bap Illari and Lucio Kiriko are the strongest setups.
Illari lucio? with what as a tank? they don’t synergize collectively with anything. run a double flex support ana and something. illari, zen, kiriko. they all work. its a poke meta with orisa what would you want a lucio for? making plays? thats how you die.
Thats because orisa is better than monkey and D.va at the moment so you don’t need the brig to protect the ana. but anti the orisa and murder is how you win when the tank pushes.
Illari is more consistent because she has two amazing things going for her. No thought turret. Beam healing. Trying to heal a bouncing aerial target as Baptiste is pretty difficult. You can try to go for jump shots against people further out, but the amount of skill needed to get those arcs is pretty insane.
Illari’s beam and turret heals offload a ton of mechanical skill pressure needed to get those shots allowing you to hit very high consistent heals regardless of map type and team composition. Since pylon healing exists unless your team is getting heavily pressured, you do not have to focus on healing as much which means you can dedicate more time to putting shots down range than breaking off to look at your team.
The other part too is that despite Bap having access to strong overall DPS output, its not bursty. In general, bursty dmg is better than non-burst. Even if you get lower overall dmg what matters is securing the kills. Her ult works a bit better at doing that as well.
While Bap has vertical mobility, Illari has that AND CC + mobility. This makes her more versatile being able to keep up with teams, cause some CC utility, and run away. Baptiste has issues adjusting to push and pull because he doenst’ have that horizontal mobility.
Forcing Bap into dive is actually rather difficult compared to forcing Illari as she can better support it and defend against it. I’ll still prefer to see Baptiste on maps where he excels such as say Lijang Control Center or other narrow width maps.
I never said Lucio and Illari are run together. Kiriko Lucio is being run with JQ and Winston for example and Illari Bap with Sig Orisa
That is destructible and that requires game awareness from the other teammates (they have to observe where it’s located and whenever it shift positions). A lot of players in QP, for instance, don’t really pay attention to where the pylon is at.
That is limited in terms of range and resources. Doing damage doesn’t even restore it’s like it the case with Moira’s biotic grasp. It takes time to use the beam again and you gotta think twice while using it (like “is it really necessary to use it now” type of question).
It is but you can still land the shots when the flying teammate is not moving too much or touching ground, whereas Illari can’t do it with beam (not close enough) and if the aerial target doesn’t pay attention to the pylon or if the pylon has been destroy, there’s no way of saving said aerial friendly target.
Mobility is also debatable. The pros of Illari’s shift ability is that it boops the enemy and it’s faster, however there are many areas you can reach with Baptiste that you can’t with Illari.
I still think Baptiste is more polyvalent in all aspects (damage, healing output and mobility), while Illari is pretty limited whenever her pylon is detroyed, her allies being far away (since beam works only at close range), and if the player doesn’t have very accurate aim (her primary damage takes a lot of accuracy).
Let’s just agree to disagree on this one 
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Edit : I still like both heroes, though ,and Illari is a great addition to the support cast (just like Lifeweaver was, whatever the naysayers state).
They have their pros and cons. They both ditch out a lot of damage, there’s no denying it. Their escape is very similar as well, yet different. Baptise mobility is more vertical, whereas Illari is more horizontal. While their ultimate are vastly different, they both have the same value in that they both can delete the enemy team.
The big difference is in playstyle consistency.
Baptise require you to tempo his healing and shooting with two different aim style with constant aim adjustment, thus providing more consistent healing but lower damage accuracy.
Illari on the other hand is set it and forget it with the healing turrets, with the occasional burst healing for 2s on her right click. Since she isn’t have to focus on tempo shooting and micro adjusting aim due to different aim style, you have easier time aiming, thus having more consistent damage output at the sacrifice of healing.
If you’re a dps main and don’t want to focus on healing all the time, play Zen, Illari, or Reddit Lucio. While Ana is a great support, you will still spend healing 80% of the time.
Bap is definitely stronger. His amage is more consistent, damage number is higher, healing is more relevant, has permanent escape on top of the fire power + 3 hp bars via shift and immort. Even his ult brings more value to the table as could be used both individually and for team.