There, I said it. Make them bigger than toothpicks and smaller than logs. That, or increase the speed of the projectile.
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Hanzo is fine right now, idk why people feel the need to touch something that doesn’t need changing.
A good Hanzo can one shot any 200hp target, his projectiles are small for a reason.
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I’d rather they reverted the beta’s uneeded Storm Arrow nerf or buffed his leap instead.
His arrows are already pretty fast for arrows, at some point they become bullets.
Weakest DPS in slot, doesnt even get a single benefit from the DPS passive, if thats not enough reason for buffing i dont know what is.
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y tho?
Yeah well not everyone has unlimited ammo and no need to reload. I’m so sorry Hanzo doesn’t benefit from reload speed increase when he has no reload speed at all… poor Hanzo.
He also isn’t the weakest. A good Hanzo can solo carry seeing as he is one of the few heroes that has a one shot, and isn’t as easily divable as Widow.
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Aren’t people not playing Hanzo because he’s bugged and using your bow shakes his arms around like McCree level recoil but jerkier
I imagine once he and especially storm arrows feel like NOT a punishment for existing he might see more use, not meta but not forgotten about entirely
Im not kidding I’ve seen maybe 5 Hanzos since launch in all modes, not counting mystery ones. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so little of him… Not even after major nerfs in OW1 that catapulted him from S to C tier
yes, maybe do even more lack of skill game by increasing the hitbox bullet because it’s harder to hit than hitscan … you have the skill, you’ll hit
imo every character should have normal hitboxes of everything and not enlarged because you can’t hit and hanzo needs bug fixes because of the bug it’s impossible to play him completely
I have no problem with hitting the enemy on hanzo only this bug makes hanzo almost unplayable
but generally hanzo needs some buff because he is currently one of the worse dps
Still no benefit, where other DPS get their weaknesses covered, Hanzo gets nothing in return.
Yeah he is
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/zk6kl8/season_20_tierlists_aggregated/
Multiple T500 players and good coaches opinions on the Season 2 patch, Hanzo got only slightly better with Doom nerf and maybe hes tied with Symm now, depending on the map.
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Once again, poor Hanzo who has a one shot projectile with no need to reload. That is a dangerous combination.
Oh right, because 8 streamers said so that makes them right? Aren’t these the same streamers responsible for many of the broken metas we have had in the past? Does being a streamer give your opinion more credit over anyone else in high ranks, because there’s more than 8 people in high ranks.
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Every arrow is a reload. His firing rate is incredibly low. I’ve seen arrows just phase through people, even when they should connect. Hanzo is not strong, and he could use a tiny buff. I’m not saying making his arrows as big as Kiriko’s, but why is an arrow as small as a shuriken?
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With a very low rate of fire, slow movement speed and only a nerfed long cooldown to fall back on, you do realise thats how bows and arrows work, right? Are you really going to say having a bow and arrow is better because you dont reload?
All high lvl players some succesful pro coaches, yes.
No, that was mostly on the devs.
Do tell me one meta that streamers caused, even though the devs always have the final say.
Being a high lvl player give your opinion more credit, yes, specially if your repertoire is there to prove it, like a streamer has.
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What you neglect to mention is that just about every high-ranked player who makes lists like this stresses that everyone on the roster is viable, that you can climb with all of them and that, for the most part, the differences between them are marginal. For example your tier-list calls Zen one of the weakest characters in the game, but Awkward did an unranked to GM run with Zen in the same update in a matter of hours with an 80% win-rate. He was dominating with him in Top 500 lobbies right in the midst of the Doomfist meta when people were calling Zen garbage.
Simply put low-tier is not the same as weak, and is certainly not unviable.
Hanzo is viable and, animation issue aside, not broken. If we endlessly chase our tails buffing whoever is considered ‘weakest,’ it simply results in power creep because someone will always be at the bottom of the tier list. Assuming it is still viable that should never, in any game, automatically entitle something to buffs. Fair enough the DPS passive doing nothing for him sucks, but the issue there is the passive not Hanzo. It impacts many characters unequally with the likes of Ashe, Tracer, Reaper, Genji and Sombra benefiting considerably while others get next to nothing.
Did you mean to reply to me btw? Because that was replied to the thread, not me.
All fair points and i agree with most of them, is why i say the only real buff he needs is the Storm Arrow’s 5 damage nerf reverted.
And if you ask me what is the best reason to buff a character i would tell you to look at how weak said character is compared to their peers and Hanzo absolutely seems to be one if not the weakest character when skill is considered, so tell me what better reason to buff him? If they are not going to nerf every other character down to his lvl, as it would seem with the recent uneeded Tracer buffs and more nerf reverts to come.
Lol as a hanzo main myself, no way. I would love a projectile speed again but thats as far as I would ever buff hanzo. Increasing the size of the arrows would break him, at least with faster projectiles he’s going to be just a bit more consistent and not really break the game.
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Buffing Tracer, refusing to actually nerf Sojourn properly, etc., I feel the frustration there when there are objectively weaker characters getting zero attention and I don’t say Hanzo needs nothing.
I just feel we have more important stuff to look at, and I just don’t trust Blizzard to not screw things up. I mean short of a character being broken, unplayable, I feel asking Blizzard to adjust them is playing with fire.
Look at the most recent patch.
People cried out for Hog nerfs. They claimed to be giving us what we wanted, but instead of nerfing Hog they buffed Orisa and Ana, neither of whom needed buffs, and now Orisa is the new broken meta tank.
Maybe lowering the cool-down on, or improving Hanzo’s lunge is something I’d trust them to do because if they do screw it up it can only impact him so much.
Yeah, Tracer buffs were way off for multiple reasons, wrong ones too, lost pretty much all of my trust on the new balance team after that patch, they got some back with the hotfix but that was some bad patch.
I for one think you have to look at both ends of the spectrum at the same time, buffing the weakest and nerfing the strongest, that is a pretty safe albeit simplistic way to achieve balance, ofc theres always going to be a focus on wich thing is the most agregious and Hanzo is not nearly as agregious as the Sojourn, tank and support issues atm
Well, i also dont agree with they pushing out uneeded buffs for Ana and Orisa simply because they couldnt get the Hog nerf in time, though this patch comes from the same person that appearently didnt believe in power creep so i guess we cant be too surprised.
Yeah, pretty easy change too, that or revert the uneeded Storm Arrow nerf, i for one would prefer something like this :
But a simpler number-tune works too.
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Considering Hanzo is one of the worst heroes in the game and is the only hero who does not have a role passive he deserves something nice
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Ok, fix his recoil bug and that can be his christmas present.
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Tbh I don’t even know why that’s still in the game, Genji had a similiar bug with the same patch and its already fixed
And I’ve seen arrows fly a meter away from me and hit. It’s all perspective and ping along with netcode. Enjoy.