Impossible to get out of bronze Heal Solo Queue

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There are sooooooooooooo many smurfs, and as a healer there’s not much that can be done about it. Even if it’s a player who clearly should be in gold, they can completely dominate a bronze game as dps.

All things being fare, there would be as many smurfs/(people who got unlucky in placements and are ranking through bronze) on my side as the other, which means that I should be getting about a 50% win rate from those games.
But i’m going down, from 1450 placement to 1000. and i’m guessing that’s because of carry teams adding to the mix.

The problem in Bronze is amplified because solo queue groups are always splitting up and charging in 1 at a time, or shielding at chokes and getting hammered. So if I want to heal, a lot of the time i’m not safe from sniper fire. People don’t protect the healers from Tracer, reaper, Echo, Genji, Sombra, Doomfist. so 1 smurf just peals so hard.

It’s hard enough to rank up in bronze as a healer even without smurfs because the teams are so random at best I expect a 50% win rate because my impact without focusing damage is really low. Either you can’t heal because no ones protecting you and you die or get stuck constantly dueling for your life instead of healing, or they split up all across the map and you can’t reach most of your team, or they sit there attacking the enemy one by one feeding the whole game.

Round by round it mostly varies usually depending on if the initial push/defense works, because it’s the only time your team is grouped up and not feeding.

I’m just making a statement that there’s something horribly wrong when playing bronze as a healer. I’m seriously considering going against the advice of “playing my role” of healing and practicing my aim with Baptiste and going for damage like some of the smurfs do… I’m thinking if I can’t beet em, join em at this stage… maybe it will work, maybe not… but healing ain’t working lol I just need to leave bronze :S

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Plat is hard to get out of Cause if smurfs but my guy if you’re struggling to get out of bronze then you’re doing something wrong

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lol what a troll

Ideally yeah it should be simple. As Mercy Make sure you top people up, prioritization most damaged, then rotate around until everyone is healed (don’t heal to full, just enough to keep em all alive first then prioritize people on class and necessity to the push or defense, and top people up). Stay behind corners and shields. Save Ult for combo push. Power boost the right dps when healing is done etc. Always keep moving try to guardian angel all over when attacked, aiming for cover.
Group up before pushing. Plus my aim with the blaster ain’t too bad when needed.

Putting all that into practice I shouldn’t be in the bottom 500 in the world. I even have a good computer, 220 fps, a pro mouse with a good dpi setting.

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I stucked in bronze for 2 years and was 2 Seasons below 900sr, now iam 3.6. I instantly got out of bronze after gettting better. Can you send a replay pls?

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Duo smurf and pocket them, easy climb.

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Made a fresh replay just for you. This game didn’t have any obvious smurfs, or I was too busy to notice. Was a fairly average healing experience. I made a mistake here and there but I’m not claiming to be the worlds best player. lol

replay Code
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iam home in 5h, cant react yet

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I’ll take any advice… maybe it is me… maybe i’ll just have to take a breather and do even better. Even if that’s more effort than I feel it should take. I’m at a loss. /salute

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I’d increase your sensitivity on the controller, so you can turn and look around quicker.

The first fight was a pretty good one as far as Mercying goes. I’d have damage boosted more, but, you were always doing something, you survived to the end of it, you resisted burning your ult what was a lost fight, which is good.

The Tele they used to PtA screwed you, but, there isn’t anything you could have done about it.

There is a bunch of little things, but, honestly, nothing which would have changed the fight outcome I think.

Between the first and second fight. Here is a thing about Mercy, you have a lot of control over who gets their ult and when, this is one of the things which separates good Mercy players from Great ones.

I would have healed your Ana, because she NEEDED healing, but NOT the D’va. You HAVE your ult, and the fight isn’t on yet, All you are doing here is taking ult from your Ana.

SHE gets to heal D’va. If you have your ult, GENERALLY you don’t heal between fights unless either your other healer also has it, OR, since you are in Bronze, your other healer just seems to leave people who need healing alone, in which case, it is on you.

But, it is a little thing, but as Mercy all you have is a lot of little things to do.

The more I watch that match, the more I can see that their Sym was basic carrying their team, not by smurfing, but by being hard for your team to deal with.

This doesn’t look like Bronze play on your part. You are damage boosting when it makes sense to, your survival is pretty good.

Round one went to them, with 1 minute to go, but, if you play like this most games, you wouldn’t stay in Bronze I’d hope.

Lets see round 2.

Widow on console, in Bronze, with Monkey, pushing Pt A Hanamura? You have your work cut out for you.

Oh man… Again, you don’t get baited to using your ult at bad times, you juggling on healing / damage boost is ok, your survival is ok. I’d hug walls a little more, but really, it wouldn’t have changed the outcome.

As Mercy, you don’t have a LOT of influence on the games outcome, you play statistically rather than to win every game.

Honestly, that was not Bronze Mercy play.

I can’t climb with Mercy until about Gold, FROM there I can climb with her, because your team’s ability to aim etc becomes consistent, so your ability to influence the games outcome becomes more consistent.

I hate to say this, but, have you thought about Moira as a main for the low ranks? You have more influence in the games outcome, and your decision making will have a greater impact.

You are CERTAINLY playing as at least mid/upper silver. Change your max turn speed, but, eh, it isn’t your choice making in game keeping you in bronze - at least from that games review.

You ARE playing ok as Mercy, but Bronze is a bit of a tar pit for Mercy players.

But yeah… better than your would expect ult usage for the rank, good choices around healing / damage, good survival.

Think about between fights a little more, but, it wouldn’t have changed the outcome.

Oh, DO look at your teams ult charge a lot, so you can be there boost the heroes who are about to ult. But, you can’t see how much you do that from the replay.

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Wow that was some real positive and detailed feedback.
Thanks :smiley:
I didn’t actually think about that with other healers maybe needing ult. And your right, I should have paid a bit more attention to Anna in general.

I’ll give Moira another go now, see how I go lol /salute

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Bring review codes :slight_smile:

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why do bronze player need to get out of bronze? I’ve Just rank up 2 accounts from bronze to mid silver just by playing dps bap, healing only with shift. You think too much about unnecessary stuff. Worka at your mechanics.

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Dude that’s where you’re going wrong. Don’t play mercy play someone who can defend themselves. Mercy is 99% reliant on her team. At least if you play moira you can kill things pretty easy

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Ok so I tried Moira again for 3 games, i’m not sure if I feel that much more impact full, but then I haven’t played Moira a whole heap… but still, I mean I had gold kills, but it’s moira so it’s often just tagging… I guess. I also had gold heals, but… was it more impact on the game then Mercy?. i’m not too sure… maybe :sa:

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I’ll try the dps Bap Idea… Might need some sleep soon though lol

Edit to end Thread-

Ok so no more Mercy, i’ll try some different things over the next week. Thanks people for addressing my … tantrum :slight_smile:

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Play Zen, kill everything. EZ SR. The stats on Zen in Bronze overall are probobly pretty poor so you’ll probobly get more PBSR.

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Yeah, I agree with zen. Ana is very good for climbing too but she is hard hero to master.

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I’ve climbed out of mid-Bronze a few times as several heroes. I personally found Zen to be the easiest climb, followed by Mercy and Moira. Ana was an absolute nightmare, but I did manage to climb on her eventually (Note: I was learning each of these heroes at the time and I wasn’t smurfing). So I wouldn’t say that Mercy is a bad pick before Gold. She is very team dependent, but she gets a lot of survivability in return. She’s also good a bouncing between a spread team (common in Bronze) and she is the only hero that has significant control over the ult economy (in a rank where even Dva bomb can team wipe this is huge). I would say have a few heroes to choose from for a team and tell yourself why you are picking at the begining of a round (“I’m going Mercy here because we are too spread for Moira”, “Moira because I need to be able to be able to finish kills”, or “Zen because we are getting destroyed by the enemy Genji ult”).

You talked some about things that I know are issues in Bronze (tanks standing in choke, your team playing as far apart as physically possible, etc), but you also mentioned a few things that seem like obvious misplays to me.(I’ll have time to look at the vod later, for now this might help?):

  • As Mercy your deaths are almost always your own fault. You have a lot of freedom in your positioning because the beam distance is 15m and it stays connected without LOS for a second or so. If you feel like your team’s positioning is resulting in your death then I’d suggest checking your beam technique. You should be standing 10-15 meters from your beam target, you shouldn’t be staring at your beam target, and you should be ducking around corners or terrain occasionally.
  • You talk about healing a lot. Healing isn’t your win condition as Mercy unless your second support is Zen, Brig, or Lucio. Your impact on that game comes from being able to influence you team’s ult economy (damage boost for the ult you want, throw a damage boost heavy valk the team fight after your team blows all their ults, etc) and being able to use your mobility to make clutch saves. If 5 people need healing you are likely to be able to help any of them, so it makes sense to make your choice based on what your second support can’t easily heal.
  • Having issues with Tracer, Sombra, Reaper, Doomfist, and Genji as Mercy. These heroes all rely on the element of surprise and have crappy long range. Because Mercy is able to check flanks without giving up APM she’s really hard to sneak up on and is a decent pick against all those heroes. She also has a crazy amount of vertical mobility, which helps against those heroes and leaves her really vulnerable to long range dps. This kind of tells me that you have low awareness (possibly looking at heal targets too much?) and that you aren’t abusing high ground.
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Just play Moira if you can’t aim and gg. Make sure to dps Moira

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Ana:
Pros- Her cooldowns and ult are win conditions
Cons- She needs LOS, her cooldowns can be disrupted by clumsy teammates, she struggles to recover from an eradically repositioning frontline.

Zen:
Pros - He can kill things, Discord gives players something to focus on, good against ult spam, PBSR.
Cons - He has no escape, he needs some LOS, he’s hard to master.

Mercy:
Pros - Never really dies in bronze, can heal spread teammates, heals through shields, can win games through ult economy.
Cons - Easy to feed with, most of her impact is indirect, it’s really easy to unintentionally decrease your main support’s ult charge rate.

Moira:
Pros - High healing output, good at finishing kills, needs little peel, ult is good here.
Cons - Most effected by spread teammates, easy to tunnel on her and let your team die.

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It definitely is possible. Quit playing as a healer and play as a support. You can do more than heal, and when you do, you’ll start to see success.

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