It does corrupt the ladder, though. The issues causing high ranked games to be so unbelievably unfun for a huge chunk of the players need to be addressed. Only then will alts stop being used more than mains.
That is down to double shield being the go to. Nothing else.
Also the current support meta.
Dps viability is equally an enormous issue.
Itâs all linked together though.
The game is just not balanced or fun once you reach high ranks. Why are we expecting the players to invest their time into that as opposed to buying an alt on sale?
The game isnât balanced, and never will be as balance is a bit of a myth with all the variables at play.
Their mistake was not adjusting things more frequently.
This is true. It has however gotten much worse over the last year+. There is no excuse for the same heroes being A tier or more for so long and the same heroes being D tier or less. None. Itâs not competitive.
Also true. Iâm a firm advocate for balance patches every 2 months or so minimum. Keeping the meta in constant flux and addressing outliers would prevent stagnation and over time cause repeated nerfs/buffs to the heroes who are the most over/underpowered.
They took themselves down some deep rabbit holes introducing abilities like Baps lamp on cooldown that will be difficult for them to move on from without small reworks.
Personally, Iâd like to see no more buffs before OW2. Just nerf things. No ability needs to be stronger right now.
Some of us hate waiting 15-35 minutes to play a DPS game in Plat or higher ranks.
So we make alternate accounts.
So youâre using people below your skill level to improve waiting times.
That mindset isnât gonna lead anywhere bad, I wonder how close those people are to quitting the game over the many other issues this game has. Better put smurfing ontop of that stack, they wonât break and just leave.
Surely.
If blizzard doesnât want to fix this stupid role queue problem for everything but DPS⌠what am I supposed to do when I have 1 hour a night to play?
Iâm not saying donât do it. Iâm saying youâre basically exploiting the skill difference and the games youâre playing in that âcompetitiveâ mode arenât competitive.
Also consider everything people complain about with OW, 2cp doesnât exist in a vacuum and smurfing doesnât exist in a vacuum. The more people smurf the more higher ranks get depopulated, the longer the wait times.
All the people that donât want to wait are also making those wait times longer by not staying in the queue.
Also by buying a second account youâre telling them this new system you hate is worth supporting and everyone else smurfing is doing the same thing, youâre all basically cows being milked by the farmer you hate. People like you are the last kind of people I want playing this game because youâre not only making it worse but you actively want change while actively supporting the status quo.
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The issues causing high ranked games to be so unbelievably unfun for a huge chunk of the players need to be addressed. Only then will alts stop being used more than mains.
Sadly, no. You can find this from the myriad of excuses for people having alt accounts. The game being âunfunâ isnât mentioned very often.
What IS mentioned is that they donât want to âruin gamesâ learning a new hero at their actual rank. Which, of course, means they ruin games at LOWER ranks, all the time while they claim that the only way to get better at the game is to play against better people.
Itâs a transparent excuse for valuing their main accountâs SR over other peopleâs enjoyment of the game. They will happily park their main because theyâre scared theyâll never get their SR back ever again or they donât want to invest the time grinding the SR back when they learn the new hero and instead make everyone ELSEâS game extra unfun for their own convenience.
They should just be honest about it and realize when they throw out excuses like that, theyâre just being selfish and ruining competitive integrity because theyâre scared of losing SR.
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Iâm asking for your âflowchartâ, âalgorithmâ, âformulaâ - i.e. your mental model of how you reach this conclusion.
Where are yours then?
Im diamond and I never wait more than 5 mins for a game. I cant speak for everyone but that is my experience.
Just know that the alt accounts and smurfs are allowed to manipulate and cheat the matchmaker ALL they want to stomp games, the devs donât care.
But YOU arenât ALLOWED to leave those matches that are unfairly tilted and against cheaters.
THEIR time is more valuable than YOURS! Their accounts and games are more important than yours.
Donât ever forgot that the devs donât care about your games if you are an honest player playing at your honest rank. They outright support cheating over you.
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Think about it, in order to âeffectivelyâ climb in ranks, you mostly have to stay on one to two heroes. If you wanted to learn a new hero (or try them in a ranked setting) you would be tanking your rank at that expense
That is how it should be. Your rank should tank if you are playing heroes you arenât good at. The game is meant to be a game where you switch heroes constantly.
Yes, but that shouldnât entail having to purchase a new account, or whatever thought process that led players to that conclusion.
Iâm all for playing what youâre comfortable with, but Iâm not okay with players buying alternative accounts as some sort of cop out.
Frankly, I think this game needs an overhaul to its competitive system as a means of improving competitive integrity and stamping out things that oppose this.
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I have an alt specifically for tank heroes (which I am historically not good with) and Iâm currently in high gold/low plat.
I intentionally do not go heroes I know. Itâs to practice so that if I play on main, I donât soft-throw for my team on tank since I got placed higher on there.
Hereâs thing, your pushing these problems onto the team mates of your alt account. For example, letâs say your playing this account to learn Rein but youâre already an experienced monkey player so you refuse to ever play it. What if the match really calls for monkey to be played? On the one hand youâre not screwing over the opposition by playing hero your far better than your current SR is appropriate for, but on the other hand youâre screwing over your team mates cos you wonât play a character that you can and ordinarily would.
The problem here is that youâre not playing to win, youâre playing to practise and instead of tanking the learning curve on yourself your pushing it onto a bunch of others. Now multiply this problem out by all the people with their many alts and suddenly thereâs a massive portion of comp that donât really care about winning
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Placed it and started to try climb, as we all do.
playin vs golds who clearly had a huge disadvantage vs him. ok, nothing wrong.
to climb up meanwhile all those matches were ruined
only thing that guy did (I watched only one because Iâm against that ââcontentââ) wasnât to ââeducateââ me to become better, was only to demotivate me to even try to go comp. Why I would go there and have a match where I canât clearly do anything due a huge skill gap?
Letâs say I am placed in gold (i donât even have a rank) and I lose vs another gold? (a true gold) , cool, I eat that up, match was even. But facing a ââgoldââ who is gm while I only seen gold?
MAAAAAAAN what a perfect balanced match. Zero chances.
I prefer to keep myself out of comps due the demotivation this guy gave to me.
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but they are rare
you keep sayin everyone ââtheyâre rare what data you have to claim theyâre this frequentââ well , what data DO YOU HAVE to say theyâre rare, I play only qp and I keep meeting ââaltââ accounts who clearly arenât new to the game, Iâm new and I barely get how to play ONE hero and how toface all the other ones with said hero
also what you say ââdebunkedââ again , but seems you skipped that part, are those who deny the reality , like the mentioned doom lev 25 knowing all maps rolloutâŚ
please even with a youtube video donât tell me at such level you know how to do that in every map, or how to snipe and where to position yourself as widow, or to do a 6k kill with genji⌠cmon.
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The problem here is that youâre not playing to win, youâre playing to practise and instead of tanking the learning curve on yourself your pushing it onto a bunch of others.
The only tank I play is D.Va and thatâs because placements put me MUCH higher than I should be. I think me playing a role in a rank I donât belong is more detrimental than me not playing the one tank hero I got there with.
When I practice tanking, I mean I play to win MINUS that one hero I already know.
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The only tank I play is D.Va and thatâs because placements put me MUCH higher than I should be.
You play Dva cos the placements put you higher than it shouldâve?
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I think me playing a role in a rank I donât belong is more detrimental than me not playing the one tank hero I got there with.
Well, deciding you do/donât belong in any given rank kinda throws up its own problems
I see what you mean, and Iâm not necessarily against the concept of one tricks either if you really canât play anything else. However my dislike of alt accounts and the mindset of âitâs just my alt so I wonât bother playing XYZ cos Iâll winâ (and all the other problems alt/smurf accounts throw up) I think trumps that.
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When I practice tanking, I mean I play to win MINUS that one hero I already know.
Thatâs the thing. You describe it as practise and youâre not trying to win as youâre deliberately handicapping yourself (I know youâre not deliberately throwing on not Dva by afking etc and Iâm not suggesting youâre doing this). For people trying to rank up theyâre playing whatever they can play as best as they can. Thatâs the mindset you lose when youâre on an alt account, which has been whatâs missing from comp for a long time (shame that the toxicity didnât get lost along with it).