I'm not convinced most OW2 defenders aren't shills

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I have to be honest, I’ve been reading and re-reading a lot of responses from people defending OW2, and I went from being on the fence in this debate, to outright thinking most defenders are actually shilling for the game due to brand loyalty.

Before you misunderstand, let me explain what I mean and how I’ve come to this conclusion:

I’ve noticed a lot of defenses from OW2 seem a bit…one sided. Things like “You don’t have to buy things, so therefore you shouldn’t complain at all”, or “you can just click past the ads, so what’s the big deal that they’ll literally be shoved in your face”.

These defenses fall flat for obvious reasons. They exist to defend blizzard and side step the real issue of being bombarded with ads that are there to prey on FOMO or other things like that. These defenders usually feign neutrality, but can you really be neutral when all of your defenses fail to address the real issues here?

When you point this out, people resort to insults while saying its actually the other side being insulting. This is another clear sign of an insecure position. They’re angry that you’re questioning them, and the anger comes from knowing that their positions are less than stellar. Again, this is just an opinion from what I’ve observed on the matter.

I’ve been interacting with people like this today, and its made me want to research some other threads to see how defenders handle criticism or outright insults. And for the most part it is the same thing time and time again. As much as I want to straight up quote users, I’m pretty sure my account would get muted for calling people out, so I won’t. I will admit that its not 100% of OW2 defenders that are outright shilling for OW2, because of course it wouldn’t be, but it is an awful lot of people doing it. They seem actively upset that people think or want OW2 to fail, and its entirely due to brand loyalty IMO.

For that, I can only say this: Have more self respect. If you’re the kind of user that gets upset when you see people talking bad about OW2, just stop.

On that note, I want to flat out say that any kind of insulting is wrong, and you shouldn’t go out of your way to belittle anyone whether they’re for or against OW2.

I also want to admit that I don’t care that much and there’s worse things in the world than calling people names on an online forum. Especially one like this.

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I just like OW2. What so bad about that?

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The shills think they are in the moral right for some reason. Simple as that. Trying to reason with them after they were wrong ten times in a row is pointless, but at least we can show them how much of a minority they really are.

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I’ve been fighting quite a bit with people over the last week, and I’m sure I’d probably get thrown in the “doomer” category because I’ve been calling some people shills.

I genuinely am excited for OW2’s gameplay, and I was fine with a battlepass when I thought it was only cosmetics. I’m still mostly fine with the prospect, I just really, really hate the prospect of hero locking. Moreso now that we know they’ll be on tier 55. It bothers me quite a bit.

There are people here on the forums who obviously want OW2 to do well, but are so horribly insistent in the face of all logic and reason that Blizzard is doing nothing wrong and try to throw people under the bus for legitimate criticisms and concerns.

A lot of the expectations and fear from the hero locks ended up not being founded (thank God), but that doesn’t really change at least my position that it’s a bad idea and antithetical to the core philosophy of Overwatch.

Blizzard needs to actually follow through on their promise to communicate better, I think a lot of bad sentiments would go away if the community felt like Blizzard cared about keeping us in the loop.

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There’s nothing wrong with just liking it, but I do think there’s something morally wrong with liking it to the point of defending every little thing Blizzard does. Which, if you don’t do, you don’t have anything to worry about.

For example, saying “I enjoyed 5v5, so I think I’ll enjoy OW2” isn’t the same defense as “Come on, you can afford $10!”.

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Well, you know from first hand experience that I’ve been wanting aggressive and self sufficient Tanks that follow a Class Based Shooter design more than RPG/MOBA design.

And 5v5 helps do that and address queue times, which is also my other #1 issue.

And I’ve been pushing for this stuff for the last 3 years.

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puts on tinfoil hat

there’s definitely some paid plants on the forum.

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I want to double down on this. I haven’t been headhunting people who support Overwatch 2 in particular given that I support about 90% of the direction they’re taking, but this idea that people are greedy freeloaders or want everything for free in perpetuity because they’re not a fan of locking heroes or even battlepasses as a concept is dismissive and disingenuous.

There’s a reasonable discussion to be had but some people are so emotionally invested in Overwatch as a concept that they take criticisms of it as a personal attack it feels like, and it’s absolutely bonkers.

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Y’all can’t just accept some of us come at gaming from different perspectives. Y’all can’t accept that you’ve lost the debate (yrs ago honestly), that you’re in a minority group of gamers so you have to resort to this nonsense.

It’s okay that you have your opinion but it’s not okay for others to have theirs and you wonder why nobody is listening to you

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i’d say to me when someone starts calling you a freeloader and keeps insisting how good the value of the battlepass is and “cmon you can afford $10 what are you, poor?” are shills.
like, genuine shills.
i’ve dealt with many of them in 4chan, most of them basically start trying to demean you, insult you and shame you into dropping your negative opinion.

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Damn, they finally found me out. I was paid a good sum by Blizzard to tell everyone about how awesome OW2 is, how the hell did you know?!

For real though, I just believe that OW2 is a good game, that’s it. Is it perfect? By no means, I disagree with a lot of the decisions made, but I still think that they are WAY overblown by the community. Is locking heroes behind a BP a good thing? No, it’s not, but it also isn’t, at least for me, the sign of downfall and p2w coming to the game. It’s just more aggressive monetizing with a free path - something we can and sadly should expect from both F2P and paid games alike nowadays.

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Some of the stuff people are defending is just ridiculous.

There is difference between preferring OW2 and just shillig for stuff that clearly benefits only the company and no one else.

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I’d say that this is very much obvious. They’re either shills or hopers who would vouch for anything just to practise toxic positivity. There’s just so many fundamental issues in the game that have been there for ages and nothing has been to any of it.

One of the biggest issue has been hero balancing and them coming out to say that they’re going to depolarize the whole rock-paper-scissors problem to make heroes more playable in more spots, but this is just plain nothing. The same team is still approaching the whole ordeal with the same core policies and it’s just not going to work, ever. They’ve made promises towards balancing and all that jazz for years and have failed to deliver all the time

Most of the shills don’t even understand any of these issues because they’re not really into that type of stuff rather than just having a nice looking game they go “pewpoew” in

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I could also said that there is some paid by other big corps that want Bliz to fail.

Why would people that say they want OW to fail if not?

I really can’t understand some people sometime

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You have permission to quote me on anything. Who knows maybe it will bring something to my attention… not that I’ve really been doing a lot of defending, but if someone thinks I have I’d like to know.

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I mostly noticed the shilling on these forums but with the official news I’m seeing it with every content creator. Your overwatches recent video had me dying. :rofl:

Can’t trust anyones opinion on this game anymore.

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i’m a big fan of overwatch since i been playing since day 1 and will most likely play till the servers die. i dont mind criticism tho since yea i dont mind going against billion dollar coorperations but this is an echo chamber… doubt most concerns or arguements are heard here. probably best to critique on reddit?

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I don’t. And I don’t explicitly because tanks have failed to be that for a very long time in OW. Right now, we have tanks that die extremely fast, so why even call them tanks? I just think its wrong to lure me in by calling them tanks, and then consistantly let me down by not letting them tank and telling me “Oh, you thought the tanks would be TANKY? What could have given you that idea?!”.

Honestly, I might change my mind if that fat DPS characters are fun to play, but this hasn’t worked yet, and I think its strange to act like it magically will for 5v5. That doesn’t mean it won’t work, but I can’t believe it until I see it.

This is exactly what I’m talking about though. Your first thought is to come at us like “YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU’VE LOST THE DEBATE YEARS AGO!”. When we’re not having a debate. I’m telling you why I don’t like it.

This reeks of insecurity: you want to protect blizzard, but you don’t know how because your opinions aren’t your own, and so you lash out.

I would, but its not about permission. Its about the rules of the forum. If they were more lax, I would easily make a ton of callout posts because I think its important to hold people accountable like that.

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Well like I said,
Class Based Shooter Heavies, not RPG/MOBA Meatshields.

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People (gasp!) like the game.

Get over it.

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