I’m SO TIRED of people making selfish, irresponsible swaps in game. Overwatch is a beautiful game that gets in it’s own way. Just accept 222 is how the game is supposed to be played and embrace it.
LoL and DOTA both embraced the meta years ago and they are better for it imo. Can you imagine someone playing mid and then all a sudden not giving a F and just going off and doing their own thing? Welcome to Overwatch folks. OW will never be on the level of CSGO, DOTA and LoL until they embrace 222 or some extremely close variation of it.
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Honestly, at this point I dont mind 222 enforced in plat or below. Diamond and up can play whatever
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They’ll go off and do their own thing with 2-2-2 too. Imagine going against a pharah with a junkrat one-trick and a sym one-trick on your team.
This is why I think the solution is creating other serious and permanent game modes for those players who don’t like comp as it is. A simple role queue for comp/qp would still be useful but that alone wouldn’t solve a lot of problems.
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LFG allows you to force 222 (or only join groups where 222 is forced).
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But the beauty of Overwatch is that you CAN be successful without 222. I personally do fill to 222 quite a bit but I don’t mind if other people don’t. If you care that much just group up.
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I’d say just delete soloq and force everyone to use LFG in competitive queue. Give option for someone to select a list of heroes they want to play or can play… aka how they expect to fill their role. This will give the party leader an idea of how balanced hero pool will be.
If someone wants,to play GOATS or some off meta 3DPS build fine, let them. Just make sure to give the role leader the option to either unenforce role lock or swap roles for a specific person… or have a voting system for role swaps like “playerX requests to swap role to DPS: yes or no?” If he gets a 4/6 vote, let him swap.
I’LL BE BACK WHEN 222 IS ENFORCED
Ever considered making friends with people who seem to do alright on your team and forming a stack that regularly plays together?
Wouldn’t have to force anything then…
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Okay see’ya later have fun in fortnite or whatever meh battle royal your going to play.
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With enforced 2-2-2 what is your plan when you get dps that only knows junkrat, sym, reaper. Your only tanks know roadhog dva. And the healers are you, and a guy that doesnt really heal but picked that for the fast queue time.
Now make a working group…
Oh right!!! flexing has to happen on the part of some of the players. What are you going to do when your dps cant counter pharah or widow or enemy hanzo? live with it? Cry about it? Report them? This is a legit question.
What happens right now is that someone will usually switch to counter even if they happen to be playing a heal or tank role. If they are able to fill the hole of needing a pharah killer they just do it and let the junkrat do his thing maybe junkrat will go zen and help in another way.
I might want to heal but i know how to widow in case of pharah. I know how to mei in case of my team needing to be carried.
With 2-2-2 i wont be able to remedy actual issues or holes in your bad game play. Enforcing 2-2-2 kills the ability of players that CAN flex. Ill be stuck with a healer that doesnt heal a dps that cant dps and tanks that dont tank.
With enforced 2-2-2 I wont be able to pick my character based on the map. I want to play widow on kings row. I want to play lucio on lijiang tower.
Just because you are angry someone didnt flex in a game doesnt mean enforcing rigid 2-2-2 is an answer. Ive many times asked for specific characters for specific things.
Can we get a junkrat just to push in here?
After asking for 90 seconds and no one changing and not going anywhere im going to change to it no matter what role i initially picked. Enforce 2-2-2 and as someone who truly flexes you have ruined my game experience.
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This is my biggest issues with role que. It would affect que time based off of roles, and people would abuse that
The problem is people queuing into comp and not giving a damn about winning. This is why performance based SR needs to have a stronger influence.
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Stronger based performance SR means people will focus on “performing”, not winning. People will just ignore the objective to maximize their “performance” numbers (chasing people off point to secure kills because Kills == SR).
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But that will translate to people winning the game.
The moment 2-2-2 is enforced is the moment I leave. Overwatch should not hold your hand and shouldn’t tell you what comps you have to run. If there is ever a time where players are forced to play a certain roll in solo que I’ll quit
How? We all know the “HUR DUR I HAVE GOLD ELIMS” doesn’t mean they were actually contributing. Blizzard bases their performance SR on those stats (Number of eliminations on some dps, number of resurrections on Mercy, number of headshots on Lucio for some reason).
I mean, those games also have 5 people for 5 roles, and you can’t swap heroes mid game. Not to mention, they’re much more resource based with XP and Gold, so sharing a role is going to mean both will fall behind, while whoever is going uncontested gets a free pass.
But Overwatch has 6 players for 3 roles, and us built around the idea of flexibility. It’s literally impossible to not have overlap, and it’s okay to have 3 DPS now and then, so long as you’re smart enough to play around it.
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2-2-2 will nvr be enforced unless u make a 6man group, in which case you enforce whatever the hell u want 2. soloque is trash, an i strongly believe that with how the game was rly meant to be played, as a 6v6 mode(not ramdoms put together), that no one who earned rank in soloque rly deserves said rank.
If a DPS has gold elims and gold damage, he’s doing his job, if a Mercy has gold healing, she’s doing her job, If a Zen has 40+ assists, he’s doing his job.
If a soldier just shoots a roadhog and doesn’t do anything to support/DPS he can have gold damage/elims. If a healer only heals tanks and ignores DPS, they can have gold healing. Absolutely not in a million years will medals on their own determine on their own if someone is doing their job.
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