If you get teamed up with a Bastion one-trick on attack with no shield tank - is it okay to body block for him as Roadhog?

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He’s being a bit selfish by one-tricking Bastion and expecting someone else to play Orisa or Reinhardt just to accommodate his playstyle. But since I’m sick of having to flex and play Orisa/Reinhardt - and only one person chose to play healer (and no one else wanting to play tank) I chose to do the unselfish thing and play tank.

Naturally, I picked Roadhog since I didn’t want to stretch our solo healer too thin, and I noticed that our Bastion was getting absolutely slaughtered by the enemy McCree I decided to do him a solid and bodyblock for him the entire round. Sadly, he was so ungrateful and kept telling me to get out of his way and switch to Orisa.

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Unlucky, but as the forums say. “Bastion payed 60$ to play this game the way they want. Doesn’t matter if everyone else is playing a diff style, if its a 1trick you gotta accommodate because they are the victim.” So not much you can do but hope the other team is worse off, or forget what the obj is.

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He asked you to get out the way…

So get out the way.

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because theres literately no point in body blocking a bastion when you can simply switch to orisa, otherwise dont bother… he cant see through hog you know

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If I did that, the idiot would just keep getting killed. Plus, they had an Ana so even when I took the sleep dart for him - they still couldn’t shoot him without waking me up.

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Still waiting for those people to show up that say you should “work with them” or “play around them” while completely ignoring the fact that the one-trick never works with the team or plays around them :thinking:

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Silly former, haven’t you heard, 1 tricks are victims and flex players are bullies who need to cater to 1 tricks needs.

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Yea, one thing a One Trick Bastion is somewhat likely to rely on surprise positions or flanks.

Without a shield the rest of the team just needs to distract the other team long enough for Bastion to come out of nowhere and do a ton of damage/get 1 or 2 kills before probably dying. He could bait enemies into a bad position since Bastion looks like a juicy and easy target to kill, though his 300 HP/some armor + self heal makes him surprisingly tanky in a pinch so he’s likely to survive poke damage while moving/being dived if positioned well.

There’s probably other strats but it’s really not that hard to think of ways of to work with any type of player if you’re willing to think through some possibilities outside of the obvious stuff.

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If you want the best chance of winning, try and form a team comp that has the highest probability. In this case, an Orisa would have been sensible.

I don’t always like having to flex to fill gaps or mould around one-tricks, but they don’t find their ways into my games that often. When they are in my games, they usually play their characters pretty well, so there is an advantage if you can make it work.

You have to ask yourself the question of what you dislike more, flexing around a one trick, or losing?

I’d pick the former personally.

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Accommodating a one trick doesn’t always guarantee a win. Please don’t pretend that it does or try to tell people that it does. You can work around the one trick and still end up losing because, here’s the thing… There is such a thing as a bad pick at times. If you’re trying to get past the first choke on Hanamura with a Sym on attack, I don’t care what comp you run.

You’re going to be in for a bad time, plain and simple. That has absolutely nothing to do with your team playing around the one trick or not. It’s because… You guessed it! The Sym isn’t working!

I really wish people would stop defending poor hero choices by claiming “you only lose if you don’t work around them”. No. Just no. You’ll lose even if you do work with them. There’s a reason why some heroes work under some conditions and some heroes don’t.

The moment you learn how to flex (even a little bit), you increase your team’s odds of winning because you are able to adapt to a multitude of scenarios rather than just banging your head against the wall as Torb or Sym 24/7 and just hoping for the best, regardless of your team comp, the enemy team comp, or the map.

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What this community needs to do is stop “accommodating” these types of players period

You want to play Bastion? Go for it but forcing me to play a hero so that I can go deeper in the hole with you? Naaaaaaaaah I’m good

Finish the round with that guy and then avoid him after.

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Neither do switching heroes. In both cases, its the recommended thing to do, but it can go wrong anyway. Quoting Picard, “It’s possible to do nothing wrong and still fail.”

The irony here is that Hanamura is one of the top 3 maps for attack Symmetra (the other two are Volskaya and Eichenwalde).

Point A: Fill the other side of the choke with turrets. This way, you prevent the enemy team from pushing through the choke to finish people off, and flankers from jumping the window to hit the healers. After that, spam orbs through the main choke because that map is almost a guarantee that they will have a barrier or two trying to force the game into a shield war. The orb piercing through the shields force them to move out of the way, and let you farm your ultimate.

Once you get your ult charged, place the shield generator inside the lamen shop, and let the enemy team see you doing that. The thing is, the SG is so close to the choke that most often than not, someone will try to make a run to break it. Because you turreted the other side of the choke, this can lead to an easy pick, and you can easily push after that, taking advantage of the extra health and spawn advantage.

Point B: You most often than not, captures point A with your ultimate charged (be it from the fight itself, or from having your SG refunded). Go with your team through the high ground, and helps them take control of the high ground (short battlefield, easy to enter the chaos and microwave people with your team going together). Once everyone drops to the point, turret the stair access and place your TP on top. Drop down, and help clear the point. If the enemy go to your TP, that means less bodies stalling the point. If they don’t, you basically nullified the spawn advantage. After 3 TP charges are used, you can use the refreshed turrets to scatter then through the point to make it even harder for the enemy to stall on the point, since by there, your TP already paid its dues, so losing it isn’t a big deal anymore.

If the defense have a decent Tracer or Genji, you can also opt to place a shield generator in the house from the left side of the mega before the main gate. More often than not, they will search for your ultimate to break it, and since that room only have two entrances, you can keep that enemy busy for a solid minute if you are smart with your turrets and orbs. In the meantime, your team is fighting 5v5, but they have +375 HP, and the enemy is missing a major DPS to help get rid of all that extra health.

The best part of this plan is, as you might have noticed, It do not require anyone else in the team to do anything special. No “playing around” Sym, no “required pick” to complement her plan. Just that they are consistently trying to take the point. Ie, playing the game.

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Woah, calm it down chappy, you’re getting awfully defensive there. I acknowledge that it’s not a “guaranteed win”, but I’d argue that you’d have a “better chance” of winning if you played around it (in most scenarios, not all).

Sym on attack sucks and is pretty much borderlines throwing, but I’ll also say that I’ve had Sym on attack Hanamura who’s clutched the win by putting a tele behind enemy lines on first point… I’ve also had Genji one tricks who’re being hard countered left and right but will not switch, but hey, this is overwatch competitive and it is far from perfect. I just take the approach of doing the best with what I have at the time. If I can balance a game in our favour by playing round a one trick where possible and appropriate, I will.

In my pervious post, I was just using the example you gave which was Bastion. You are you, and such can play how you want. I don’t judge or say you’re stupid for those decisions, I was simply asking the question that I don’t think body blocking as Hog is the approach I would take.

Good old freedom of speech and all that jazz.

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Admits to grieving another player in his Competitive game. I hope the bastion reported you, and when checking on the report, they see this self admitting post.

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If you aren’t playing Orisa here then you care about something else more than winning. Which is fine- we all have our own motives and whatnot.

But when you are determined to play sub-optimally for some reason, there’s really no point in asking for advice on how to do it better.

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He means taking damage for the Bastion and protecting him. It’s not griefing.

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He is the first person on the team to pick a hero and he picks a Bastion on attack. Who is playing sub-optimally here?

Btw, he had a 1.11 E:D ratio as Bastion so far this season.

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Depends on what map you’re referring to. There are a few maps where attack Bastion works. But the majority of the time it’s definitely a sub-optimal pick.

As for what I would have done, I probably would have picked the Orisa sadly. I completely understand and respect your decision, because one-tricks (particularly one-tricks of heroes that are situational) irritate the hell out of me. But ultimately I want to win, so if that means catering to the dude who is forcing the team to run uphill to try and win, then I guess that’s how it’s gonna be.

The thing I love about Overwatch is the team focus, and the me me me attitude of much of the playerbase bothers me on a fundamental level. And it just gets worse, the more the community decides that it is too toxic to care. I enjoy helping others, being flexible, and trying to work together, I don’t understand why people who -don’t- like doing that are even playing this game.

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I didn’t say he wasn’t playing sub-optimally. He clearly is. But you can’t control him. You CAN control you.

If you want to play sub-optimally, that’s fine. I get that you are upset. But, if you make that choice, trying to decide what the least sub-optimal way to play is a waste of time and energy.

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He stated that bastion asked for Roadhog to get out of the way.

You can’t see through other players.

Admitted to grieving another player.

Move along. I hope the bastion player did a r.

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