I’ll be the first one to call it out myself, usually like “sorry, my bad”, “I threw”, “I got outplayed” and sometimes also shortly saying what I did wrong like “I shouldn’t have dropped down from there”, “my positioning was bad”. If someone else makes a mistake I will also call it out if they don’t say anything themselves.
I have noticed that people in general really dislike admitting to themselves and more so to their team that they made a mistake. If people who have mics just sit in silence after a huge misplay which could be everything from pushing in alone while waiting for a regroup and getting staggered or something else, it often builds to frustration within the group and I get frustrated too because that is a sign of people not acknowledging their mistake and that they will do it again.
Even if you don’t have a mic, you still have 10 seconds to type something if you died.
If you take responsibility for your own mistakes people will be less likely to react strongly towards them. Also saying it out loud/typing it makes you reflect on your mistake instead of shifting blame or something like that.
Thanks for pointing out the exact problem with the community “sounds very obnoxious”. Calling out mistakes made should never be considered obnoxious, it’s making sure that people understand what they did wrong which could lead to a lost team fight. The fact that people consider things like that flaming, toxic, obnoxious or any other word is a huge problem. Improving and/or adapting mid game is very possible and it’s game changing.
Owning up to mistakes can diffuse a potentially toxic situation, but calling out others mistakes should be done with tact. For example, if someone is trying to 1v6 then you can say “please stick together, team” but if you are aggressive with something like “Stop going alone you idiot” then the chances are you are going to have a toxic environment in your team, which almost always means lose.
Calling out people in general is considered bad taste, no matter what you’re doing or what community you’re apart of. It’s unfortunate that you’d rather focus on their mistake rather than leaving it in the past and helping your team come up with a plan that works. There is no point in calling out someone mid-game because there’s nothing they can do to fix that mistake.
Personally, if I played with you calling out everyones mistakes I’d just mute you. Don’t really need that kind of negativity on comms. Who cares about the misplay, just play it better next push.
Very true, your first response should never be insulting but as I said in the OP. When people remain silent and don’t show any signs of understanding what they did/are doing wrong then that’s when the tone of players and even my own starts shifting. I’m still working on this but when the same person does the same thing over and over again it becomes very hard.
You don’t have to personally call someone out though, because that could lead to them feeling embarrassed (trust me, it’s happened many times) or can start up some arguments or make them aggressive towards you etc (Comp is already heated enough)
You could always say something like: “Hey guys I think if we stick together we’d have a better chance at winning” or like: “Okay I think some of us are going too far ahead, mind coming back?”
In that way no one will (if they do) feel personally attacked or embarrassed, and maybe they may even consider their own gameplay and go: “Oh shoot I’m too far away I better group up”.
But that’s not for you to do, we don’t have to keep announcing our mistakes, who knows maybe they already had the thought that they messed up and decided that they’ll change their approach the next game or something?
You exposing them like that, just because they don’t have the “guts” isn’t right at all.
You could easily just say: “Hey guys, do you mind if I point out some mistakes in our gameplay?” so it’ll be more polite and they’ll expect criticism and will handle it better since they gave you permission to do so.
Wrong, there are people whose jobs revolve around pointing out the mistakes that people do so they can be aware of them and try to improve on that part.
Wrong again. If the strategy required is “regroup as 6” but the same person keeps running in on his own, gets himself staggered for 2 continues points of a payload map where every team fight essentially is a 5v6 and you get rolled because of it then that game changing call/strategy is obsolete.
wow, wrong 3 times in a row. You absolutely can fix mistakes mid game by simply not doing the exact same thing over and over again. Especially if it’s something like in the previous example I mentioned. Simply listen to the call to regroup and wait for your team.
Again, prime example of what’s wrong with the community. To you, calling out a mistake is just negative, nothing positive about it no matter what way it’s presented. Ignoring things like that and muting is something that I would consider poor teamwork.
Pointing out every mistake that your teammates do is very obnoxious and discouraging.
Noone will start playing better if all they hear is “you did this wrong”, “you shouldn’t have done that” etc.
Just say “good job” when they do something good, it’ll have better results.
One more thing: if you keep talking and talking whenever you do something “oh I shouldn’t have”, “oh sorry I did this and that” then you’re just distracting from the game.
It’s good that you know you made a mistake, but your team could see it too. No need to tell everyone about it.
I find it odd that you’re fine with pointing out the mistakes of others but you can’t accept that maybe you’re the one making a mistake. You call me out for being wrong three times and blame the entire community for also being wrong, yet still claim to be skilled at taking responsibility of your own mistakes.
I’m challenging your thinking but you call me wrong, just as you call out your teammates for being wrong.
Calling out mistakes in front of everyone is more likely to a make a person defensive than it is to help the situation, that’s just a part of human nature. Not everyone is like that, but most people aren’t going to appreciate that. And that’s just not with Overwatch, it’s generally true. And something that any management course worth it’s salt will teach you.
If you expect people to treat a game like a job you are bound to be disappointed often.
Wrong, there are people whose jobs revolve around pointing out the mistakes that people do so they can be aware of them and try to improve on that part.
Job
Game
Two very different things.
Again, prime example of what’s wrong with the community. To you, calling out a mistake is just negative, nothing positive about it no matter what way it’s presented. Ignoring things like that and muting is something that I would consider poor teamwork.
I am having the feeling your teammates often dislike your obnoxious “pointing out of their mistakes”, am I right?
This is true of a lot of people. It doesn’t mean they didn’t notice they make them just because they don’t share the OP’s personality. Many people WILL know they made a mistake by the negative feedback of their deaths.
And the people who don’t learn from it, won’t listen to team strategies, and ignores their team trying a more constructive method of reigning them in, are likely not going to be swayed by being called out. More likely they are just gonna play the way they want to play, and don’t care what anyone has to say about it or how many times they die.
A minority of them will be swayed by such an approach, that much is true. But, the negative atmosphere caused by calling them out in front of everyone is likely to do more harm to your team’s chemistry than good.
I didn’t just say you were wrong. I gave a counter argument as to why you are wrong as well. There’s a significant difference. Your only claim so far is that I’m wrong for calling out mistakes and the reasons you gave I have already given counter arguments to.
Some of your counterpoints were not very good, and showed an unwillingness to listen to the feedback you’re getting.
A person whose job it is to correct mistakes for example, is seldom hired to do so by calling that person out in front of everyone. More likely they will have that person step into their office to administer that feedback more privately. Which I know because I’ve done that for a living.
Sometimes you have to do it publicly, you have no choice. But even then it’s something that needs to be handled a certain way for best results.
I think most of you just got it completely wrong. While playing the game, everyone will constantly make mistakes. This is absolutely fine. Most people and trust me, it IS most people I’m talking about here, don’t realize what they’re doing wrong for the most part.
They just tunnelvision and play with bad habits all the time. Pointing out mistakes is NOT the same as blaming someone. You just redirect their attention to what to improve on. This is not meant to downtalk anyone, it’s meant as a tip to improve.
People doing this don’t want to make you made, they want you to help.
The one pointing out mistakes isn’t a god either but we all have different habits and playstyles so that some people see mistakes that others won’t see. More eyes see more.
Of course, you absolutely have to watch your tone here. There is a german saying for this: “Der Ton macht die Musik” - “The sound makes the music”. If you literally start to flame others, screaming their mistakes into their ears you’d better stop.
Yes, even if you’re snarky about it, people will get mad. Be polite, start your sentence with “I don’t want to be rude but…” or “I’m sure I do mistakes too, feel free to point them out to me but you…”
In a team game you have to be able to take constructive critic and improve on it! Don’t let your own pride get in the way of this!