certain characters. and you can’t force people to play those characters. Isn’t that poor design on Blizzards end.
talking about the new tank.
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Yeah, but I’d argue that the “poor design” is not fundamentally changing AntiNade after the move to OW2.
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Mauga dies really quick in my games. I used to avoid him as the other tank, give him space.
Now I just bum rush him with an Ana and Hanzo mix. Drops like a fly.
again you need Ana. so thank you for proving my point
She’s more for me, I main JQ. That heal increase is epic.
Antiing the Hog is just a bonus.
the poorer design is 5v5 because until it came along most DPS’s could actually interact with enemy tanks and win duels with enough genuine skill. Now its braindead talentless hick levels of game design where “youre not Bastion or Hanzo therefor you lose to every tank in the game for free”
but a change in bionade would be fine too
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I figure it’s a tradeoff for better queue times.
Which is both better for business, and ethically it makes more players happy with the game.
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Yeah we’re just drowning in happiness. So much happiness, when we’re the most divided as a community as we’ve ever been with 5v5 and the S9 changes making huge divides, mass reporting, and so many people just turning off chat entirely because it feels like saying anything can get your account actioned.
And pardon me for saying but any change Blizzard makes “for business” can blow itself. Company makes 8 bil a year but is too inept to keep its promises for PvE. This company makes records yearly and has less and less to show for it. It doesnt deserve more money. So again youll have to pardon me for hearing “better for business” and laughing at it.
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Well, we can take it from the other angle and ask why “fewer happy players” is ethically better than “more happy players”.
I believe most hitscan DPS (Soldier, Widow, Sojourn, Tracer, Sombra, etc) have no business threatening, much less defeating, tanks.
It was their players the ones who campaigned for every tank buster in the DPS role to be nerfed into garbage. Reaper, Mei, Junkrat and Sym are all garbage right now, and its them the DPS supposed to threaten tanks. Not the shooty shooters.
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Saltine crackers are the least offensive and most widely palatable food on earth.
Good luck ever finding someone who says saltines are their favorite food. Not everything is for everyone, and there is ZERO ethical dilemma in catering to a specific group no matter how much you want to pretend there is.
It is impossible to grow infinitely, and eventually the only way to grow further is unhealthy, and unless youve somehow never heard of the phrase “too much of a good thing” its real obvious to most people.
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They one billion percent did. How braindead do you gotta be to take your hate of hitscans so far that for some bizarre reason you believe they deserve to have zero healthy interactions with tanks?
Id argue tanks dont deserve to win every fight against 90% of all DPS’s for literally free just by nature of their role, and 6v6 had that. It was always tank favored, but if you played well and they played stupidly, you could win.
Pretending the game shouldve ever moved away from that philosophy is disgusting
Keep in mind back in Overwatch 1 Winston was used as a Genji counter, but in high elo if Winston just mindlessly jumped on a Genji the Genji could pretty consistently win.
Nowadays your answer is to be bastion or hanzo, or else sorry youre just on the wrong role.
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Because they dont have a healthy interaction with anyone else.
When their bloated numbers are actually toned down, maybe.
When Widow loses her oneshot, maybe.
But as long as they get to retain their constant supremacy over the DPS role and the game at large, no, I dont think hitscans should get to beat the heroes literally made to stop them in their tracks.
Its just wild to me how you manage to still bring up hitscans in a conversation where they werent ever even directly brought up.
It doesnt matter what character theyre playing, no tank should ever be able to completely for free walk down and murder people with zero counterplay. They should be at a good advantage, but not so much that obvious misplays cant be punished in basic 1v1s. This is true for hitscans, its true for projectiles, its true for all DPS vs all Tanks.
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Were they not?
Its not the Reaper and Mei mains complaining about tanks being unkillable buddy. Not today, and not 5 years ago when Blizzard decided that instead of letting the game take a natural course, they needed to nerf tanks AND supports AND non-hitscan DPS into the ground just to maintain their hitscan supremacy.
Every issue this game has today can be traced to hitscan pandering.
You have zero data on that and its literally improvable. Youve decided what reality is on your own and are making an argument based on that reality. Im a GENJI main by far, and its not even close. Check my profile.
I am complaining about tanks being unkillable. Stop pretending your made up bs is reality.
I have been here since OW1 beta.
All you have to do is look at historical patch notes and what they aimed towards.
Sorry but they arent unless you are picking a hero that isnt meant to be going around busting tanks.
Tank as a role is redundant and pulling the game down remove that role you don’t need to then destroy other heroes.
Just bring them down to pre rq levels and added them to dps.
Better quality matches immediately
I have also been here since 2016, all you have to do is not say vague nothing that means legit nothing to no one and pretend it somehow proves your argument.
Ever heard of the funny joke that goes “Studies show all serial killers breathe air? This means air causes serial killers”?
Point being you cant use stupid nonsense like that as some sort of miracle proof. You have zero proof. Zero. You have no proof that the majority of people complaining about the reality of tanks being disgustingly uninteractive for 90% of the DPS roster is somehow just angry hitscan mains.
Especially considering how I am right here making that argument and I mained Hanzo in 2016 and Genji from 2017 onward.
And mind you I have not EVER said that every DPS should bust tanks. I said tanks dont deserve free talentless wins against the DPS roster for no other reason than they’re tanks. I said if a tank misplays it deserves to be threatened by a DPS. The tank should always have advantage, but it should NEVER be as free as it is now.
Overwatch’s evolution into “Tank W keys at you, you lose sorry, youre not 2 specific characters with 2 specific cooldowns therefor you deserve no counterplay” is pathetic.
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The only bad thing about OW is forced RQ and 5v5. Oh and not nerfing the support role properly and moving Brig to the tank role.