IDDQD on McCree: I find him boring to play, he's trying to shoot people in slow mo

[Zephrin-11143]

@Vendamar-1771

@Zephrin-11143

projectiles have travel time. if they’re slow, they take longer to reach a certain distance i.e. have more time for the target to dodge the shot. of which is not the case with hitscan since it’s instant i.e. what your aim is is what you get.

Projectiles have big hitboxes and some of them have AoE damage. I play both types of heroes and hitscan is a lot harder than projectile by far.

I’ll use sym as an example because I have it saved:

@Zephrin-11143

like even at 15m it gives enemies 0.6s to reactively dodge them . most heroes can travel 3.3m > than orb splash radius i.e. can completely dodge or easily just guarantee only taking splash damage even at 15m away irrespective of how good sym’s aim is

albiet an extreme case, but it definitely shows how larger projectiles don’t really make up for slow projectile speed. if we’re talking bap nades or maybe echo shots in mid range then you may have a point (emphasis on mid range). having that extra layer of inherent error which many heroes have no little control over is a significant factor here. a factor which mccree simply doesn’t have.

@Vendamar-1771

@Zephrin-11143

with soldier’s due to his spread

Soldier’s spread is rarely used, the way you play Soldier is that you shoot then pause then shoot again to avoid the spread as much as possible.

yeah it builds up but you’d still get spread in despite doing that. I wasn’t ignoring that burst firing when I typed that.

@Vendamar-1771

You are not taking into consideration how the game actually works. People arent just standing there waiting for you to shoot them

and that can be said for when evaluating any hero. the condition of “mccree needing to land 2~3 shots to deal >=200damage for a kill on squishy” still holds. target moves? so can mccree and his weapon isn’t as impacted by movement unlike say projectile weapons are. target has a support? well so does mccree because this isn’t an asymmetric game and not to mention mccree deals hefty burst which is more resilient to heals.

@Vendamar-1771

he has no sustain, defense or mobility and his ult is a death sentence more often than not. Most other DPS have a much easier time doing their jobs due to their kits, I play Soldier and whenever I dare pick McCree I feel how weak he is in comparison, the faster fire rate allowed him to compete with other heroes, now he can’t.

then you’re tying to fix the problem with the wrong solution. fire rate isn’t the answer here. his weapon having higher firerate isn’t going to get him better angles more often. higher firerate isn’t going to give him more sustain. higher firerate isn’t going to make his ult not trash.

I have sym as 1 of my mains and you think I wouldn’t know about how “Most other DPS have a much easier time doing their jobs due to their kits”?

My position isn’t “mccree’s perfectly fine”. but I highly disagree with the notion of “he’s trash now that his fire rate got reverted” when his weapon is actually still pretty good. again, if you want to know what an actual trash weapon is like, play sym in ffa and don’t meme with camping in a nest. all the problems you’ve mentioned has nothing to do with fire rate but rather with the rest of his kit.