I wish they would change role queue

[Yara-11173]

@Baja-11423

Not at all….I’m the get to the root of the problem type….and the chief reason for queue times is because they’re trying to force the community to break down a way that it just simply doesn’t and never will….and yes tanks being “unfun” is part of that

The chief reason can be made worse or better, and devs made it worse.

Again, queue times were just fine for a long time, this idea that “queue times will be ever bad” is a not true. I have enough time as sup and DPS to know queue times were just fine for a long time.

It is simple, almost primal, to see that something being MORE UNFUN becomes LESS DESIRABLE.

But because tanks will never be as fun as DPS, does that mean devs could not have done anything about it?!

So we’re all gonna die someday, does that mean taking care of one’s health is “not getting to the root of the problem”?

Come on, let’s understand each other here. Things have gone from bad to worse and you’re saying “well, they were never going to be perfect”.

[Yara-11173]

@schmohawk-11219

Every popular online game receives tons of misguided feedback from players, and most dev teams are in touch with their playerbase enough to feel out what’s right for the direction of the game and what isn’t. Sadly this was not the case for the OW design team, and its only gotten worse over the years

The Goodman Bottleneck, I have dubbed it.

It has to change for OW2 or it’s the same exact path down hill.

[GrunkHateDPS-1303]

@Yara-11173

Again, queue times were just fine for a long time, this idea that “queue times will be ever bad” is a not true. I have enough time as sup and DPS to know queue times were just fine for a long time.

Q times on dps the moment RQ hit were 9-15 minutes up from 30 seconds to 2-3 minutes tops. wtf are you talking about

[Yara-11173]

@GrunkHateDPS-1303

Q times on dps the moment RQ hit were 9-15 minutes up from 30 seconds to 2-3 minutes tops. wtf are you talking about.

My own experience.

I had 22min last time I tried to play support. A huge peak.

[schmohawk-11219]

@Kujaku-11184

Maybe for you. I’ve never enjoyed OW more than after Role Queue came in. I can play support and be promised a second healer, tank and be promised a second tank( and two healers to keep me up), and best of all, I can DPS without fighting my entire team for the role.

Role Queue is just better. The queue times themselves are the only negative. Everything else is great.

I don’t have anything against role queue, though I feel they never delivered on the benefits of what RQ was supposed to bring (a more solidified and stable game meta which would allow the designers to deliver more frequent and quality balance updates).

But the whole queue time issue imo stems back to foundational design of the game. Having main tanks and main healers but not thinking through how to integrate them cohesively with the rest of the game that doesn’t cause over friction amongst the different player groups.

and after seeing what solution the team came up with after having years to work it out…

@Yara-11173

@schmohawk-11219

Every popular online game receives tons of misguided feedback from players, and most dev teams are in touch with their playerbase enough to feel out what’s right for the direction of the game and what isn’t. Sadly this was not the case for the OW design team, and its only gotten worse over the years

The Goodman Bottleneck, I have dubbed it.

It has to change for OW2 or it’s the same exact path down hill.

After having experienced his balance “work” on HotS, I truly believe in the “failing upwards” concept now.

[DRUNKINJEDI-11320]

@F0RTUNA-11157

League of Legend draft pick?

i looked that up and i wonder who players would ban the most with games? doomfist? reinhardt? widow?

hmm

[Sereaphim-2314]

@DRUNKINJEDI-11320

i looked that up and i wonder who players would ban the most with games? doomfist? reinhardt? widow?

what if people ban 4 tanks
there goes halve your roster of tank picks…

[H4WK3-1606]

Because drafting heroes meant to be switched around and countered is stupid.

[Yara-11173]

@Yara-11173

See, as a whole that’s all this community needs, it’s not content drop of maps or heroes, it’s not 12 balance patches a month, it’s just action in the right direction.

After years of mishandling almost everything from the early patches of the game to mass ress, to Moth meta, to consistent additions of CC, to Brig, to GOATS, to double shield and the lack of tank or even sup players… So many things mismanaged to the point many remain a problem after years and some still being made worse in the latest patches, like CC and tanks, so the community simply has lost all hope, and that’s the biggest failure of Overwatch team, it’s not the nitpicking of things, it’s not that the August buffed CC by a little bit, it’s the overall picture, the entire movie made of all those scenes, their biggest failure is losing the faith that the community placed on them.

Win that hope back and everything changes. The issues will seem small if the community believed the devs could get it right but it is their job the prove that they are trustworthy instead of clueless.

Quote for relevancy.

Devs are making tanks worse every single step of the way.

Every.
Single.
Step.

[Megadodo-11847]

@Octo24-2955

Play open queue. Problem solved.

not at all

there are a number of differences between open queue competitive and 222 competitive aside from the necessary queuing differences, and as such the one isnt a equivalent substitute for the other

@Octo24-2955

Quick play classic?

the differences are even more numerous on the qp side

@Kujaku-11184

Role Queue is just better. The queue times themselves are the only negative. Everything else is great.

all of this is stated as if it were fact, but it is actually opinion

opinion that many players - myself included - do not agree with

there are many severe problems added to the game when 222 was inflicted upon us. The excessive wait times is merely the most talked-about problem