So you are placed right but others you know are not? Sorry but anyone stuck in certain elo for longer period of time belong in that elo. It doesnt matter if he kicks butt occasionaly. If he is not consistent with that, he will not climb. Sure team mates can affect outcome, but so do you. You can have bad set of games but it eventualy even out. With many games played, its only you at the end. You are only constant.
How can you say pro players were placed based on their skill into gold is really beyond me. Did you ever see high ranked game play? I was recently placed in mid diamond on my former main acc and even there i had problems to play heroes i am not best at and i was destroyed without playing my main. And it were people only 400 sr above my usual elo.
There is absolutly no way top players would place in gold if they dont throw. Even for me its almost imposible and i am just high plat/low dia player. What happend was big/accident which most likely deleted all data from previous seasons so system could not place anyone higher because of no data and without nothing to compare players.
But how do you expect to survive in gold then ? What i primarly meant by this is, how do you not destroy all these bronze/silvers if youâre actually gold ranked ?
I placed gold on three accounts (including main)
Surprise surprise I placed those three accounts when I was hardstuck in gold on my main.
My most recent account (for fun) placed high diamond (technically masters at 3556 but it quickly lost it lol)
Still less time than some other games
In League I went 0-10 and I was bronze 3 for all 10 matches. Turns out even new accounts canât demote in placements.
Even losing at the lowest (letâs say bronze 3 0lp) you wonât instantly demote. I much prefer overwatch where loss steaks actually matter lul.
Because the server isnât as robust as players think. In Season 2, players were judged by the performance in their placements only; irrespective of their prior rank. Players didnât like this, so instead of tweaking the server to evaluate players better, they cheaply rigged it so that prior ranks are used as an anchor to keep players ballooned at certain ranks. Jeff Kaplan has even said that moving a playerâs SR up or down solely based on wins/losses isnât necessarily fair in all cases, but he thinks the best predictor of skill is winning, which is pretty much saying âWe donât know how to develop a system that accurately assesses a playerâs individual skill, so weâll have a garbage program that evaluates players, but use other factors we believe are âgood enoughâ at predicting skill level.â They cut corners, and now itâs no surprise that when players buy new accounts, they can place in wildly different skill tiers, because at its very core, the server really, really sucks at deciding who is good or bad, and all the cheap tricks of ballooning or using a shallow win/loss ratio doesnât always accurately rank people accordingly, and then you get some people who are trapped lower than where they should be and people who are being propped up by a system thatâs rigged to use prior scores to anchor players. Oh yeah, and theyâve publicly disclosed that they deliberately rig the system so that it gives you a lower rank than what the server actually thinks you deserve after you do your placements for the season, so howâs that for some good oleâ fashioned âfair balancing.â
Nobody is kept in certain rank by system. People are kept in certain ranks because of their skill. System will even help you with climbing using pbsr below diamond.
I bought a new account, and after having to play a large number of QuickPlay games to get to level 25 so I could play comp⌠Iâm afraid to to play comp for fear of ruining the new account!
I won the first two placement games (both with Mercy). Got gold healing and a card in each game. The second placement game, based on the ranks of other players in the game, the Overwatch ranking system seems to think Iâm in low platinum.
I am sure I will start a topic about this once Iâve played more comp games. I think Iâd like to have at least 20 comp games under my belt before I can definitely say something.
When the Overwatch Team tan Season 2, they let the system judge players during their observed skill in placement matches. You know what happened? A lot of players who were in Diamond and above got placed in Gold and Plat, while some Plat and below players were placed in Diamond. The Overwatch Team then decided to rig the system so that their prior ranks would anchor them to a specific tier, so yes, the system is tweaked not to judge players by skill or match performance, but by a little number that it has come up with due to faulty algorithms. Thatâs why players in lower ranks can buy a new account and get a comp rank at least two ranks higher than on their prior account.
This isnât even relevant to the discussion, and I can foresee you just using it as an ad hominem to try and discredit me individually rather than based on the factual background I laid out. But if you really want to know, Iâm at Platinum on all three roles.
Sorry but you are mistaken. Accounts are not kept anywhere by system. People are kept in certain elo by their skill. My friend was doing boosting and he boosted several people who were stuck in certain rank several seasons. Every time he climbed easy on the account. Its not the account. Its the skill of the person behind the account.
Lower ranked players are often placed on new accounts two tiers higher from simple reason. Because its actualy hard to place bronze or low silver on new account. New account placement is acting differently than normal placement. Its based on win/loss mostly. You can play like worst player in the world and still place gold easy if you are lucky and win placement games with terrible performance. Same if you will play like god but fail to win them. You will place low anyway. It is like this from release. 90% placed higher on new account will drop eventualy to their previous elo. 10% will keep it but climb with their previous acc too because they get better.
Not sure what do you mean with that season 2. First season had only numbers, not ranks. What they did after was pushing certain % of player base lower, as they had too many people in gold and almost nobody was in bronze and few in silver. I believe same was for diamond. There was too big gap in skill in certain ranks. Thats why it was done.
I was just curious about your rank.
You know what, show me one person(you said you have friends like that before) who is victim of rigged system. Someone who is lower than he is supposed to be. Tell him to record few games in row and give us links to games so we can see. Unless you do this, its just wild theiry that someone is kept lower than they belong by the system. If you are saying system is rigged and some people are trapped, show us the proof.
Iâve seen plenty of people on these forums who describe symptoms of a system that canât accurately assess their skill and relies on faulty measures to determine âskill.â You even mention boosting in your comment. If a server was programmed to accurately predict skill for individual players, then there would be no such thing as boosting, as other players clearly not have a significant influence over your performance.
Frankly, Iâm not going to really continue this conversation until questions are addressed to my actual points rather than on whatever made up position you think I have. I never mentioned âElo Hellâ or anything of the such; just that their system at its core has an ATROCIOUS method of evaluating skill that canât tell the difference between highly skilled or low skill playstyle without the use of SR/MMR as a cheat.
My friends, this is more proof the matchmaker is broken. This OP has been low bronze, play many many games and never gets even close to gold. Then he is getting a new account and now the matchmaker believes he is 1000SR better?
Anchor stats are real and it is bad for the game and this community which is suffering.
If you put in the time youâll always end up at the same rank, I got 4 accounts to GM, some took a bit longer than others but overall itâs the same.
People claiming thereâs a elo hell or that the matchmaking is broken are just too lazy to learn to play properly and grind the game, like anyone else who wants to climb does.
The amount of time you spend grinding Competitive just so the game can actually catch your SR up to your actual current gameplay level is not worth it, when you can spend much less (in $, and time investment) buying a new game license, leveling to 25, and doing your placement matches.
Doing it any other way is literally a waste of time.
Learn to play one account, ditch and relegate it to a âpractice other heroes/futz aroundâ account after a while, and buy a new one that you use for more serious game play.
Optimal. Logical.
Itâs only the âeasy wayâ to people so dirt poor that they canât buy a second copy of Overwatch for themselves - or who think there is something honorable (or whatever) about literally wasting their time.
Buying a new account means that you donât have to waste all of that time because the account was dragged down by bad gameplay when you were ânewâ to the game.
People get better, but the game is always factoring in your history. Getting a new account wipes the slate clean, so the game will often jump your out of a lower rank, and youâll save a lot of time (and possible frustration) you would have had to spend/deal with grinding out of it.
There is nothing good about wasting time. There are only so many hours in a day.
And honestly I went from Bronze to Gold with a new account, and have been there for 4+ seasons, at this point⌠So itâs not just some ânew account boostâ placebo. Itâs reality.
The $20 to buy a new copy of OW is less than the value of 1 hour of work to me. It was a no brainer.
Iâm on console so of course I have multiple accounts
Mine are all ranked within a few hundred SR of each other. My recent support placements I placed each of them literally within 30SR.
Seems like the game can figure out pretty well where you belong, I think just starting a new account might get you higher a bit quicker, but tbh the new role q system seems to have worked that all out pretty well for me now.
On every role, across 3 accounts, Iâm within about 200SR for each one.
I think if you just placed gold now, and have been bronze for a long time, then you might struggle to stay gold⌠good luck though
Itâs just hilarious how people think placing in a new account or 2 hours play time is any good indication of their skill. If you can stay there, great, you belong there. Bit if you really donât youâll just become a burden and fall back until youâre good enough to climb again.
