Yes, but fortunately enough for me, it looks like many other Genji players agree with me.
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Shatter is the #2 offensive ult behind blade, and it can’t even begin to touch it since Reinhardt’s get 1 shatter, on average, per two blades simply due to differences in ult charge cost.
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At the moment, not true. Rein’s is one of the fastest charging ults in the game.
It’s also better than blade by a decent amount since it doesn’t put him in immediate risk when he uses it, unlike Genji’s ult.
Absolutely not, even though it’ll be harder to land due to the spread buff getting taken away, genji shouldn’t have access to a m2> melee one shot combo. He’s a flanker. He’s supposed to be doing the same job as tracer. He still has one of the strongest ults in the game. He doesn’t need to have THAT much burst damage in his base kit. I personally don’t even mind the spread buff on its own. His damage needed to be more reliable anyway. If they can just find a sweet spot for the fire rate he’ll be fine.
It’s priority that many non Genji players are concerned with.
Genji (in professional hands) can be considered mid to above average tier. So requiring buffs to his lot isn’t that much necessary.
The garbage tier heroes (Symmetra, Bastion, Sombra) unlike Genji, require more buffs by comparision which many within the communities (myself included) believe they should. Be adjusted first.
So garbage tiers get looked at first, then low tiers, then mids, and finally the high tiers.
Using an example, more people cringe when a Symmetra gets selected compared to Genji. So by that logic (as faulty as it may seem) Symmetra should be looked at first then Genji.
But ratings are ratings; so Genji got buffed first since everyone wants to be a Weeb.
Genji has never been in the same Tier as Sym and Bastion have been in most of their lifespans. He has been off-meta, sure, but he’s always maintained an enormous pick rate compared to those two, plus Genji has always been at least viable due to his Ult, which can not be said for Bastion or Sym. The reason why people are willing to buff them and not Genji is because they actually need buffs to be viable outside of their entire team working around them the entire match, whereas Genji needs one person to work with him sometimes to be even more than viable. Comparing Genji to Sym and Bastion and saying he has been in the same Tier as them is hilarious.
If you look at many posts, a lot of them are actually saying that they nerfed the wrong thing. Many people are agreeing with you, and it’s a smaller portion saying it’s the opposite. My post was saying that if you want the buff back, he needs to be nerfed in other ways, since OP was literally just asking for buffs and not a rebalance. I’m 100% down with rebalmacing Genji to make him viable but not too strong, but OP cannot have their cake, eat it, and then have another cake to eat later.
I’d rather keep the spread reduction so that RMB is actually usable on thinner targets outside of merely melee range.
The faster, but point-blank RMB just even further obliges us to farm tanks until we have Blade. I’d rather have more reason, and reliable ability, to pressure enemy DPS and supports (beyond just poor old robosnack Zen) in the mid-fight.
Ideally, though, I’d take even more midfight power for a slower ult that’d more often have to face an enemy Trance or Rally or slow down Nanoboost usage.
equating a hero that’s been blatantly and consistently behind due to inherent holes in her kit which the devs consistently ignore
vs
a hero that’s been good, legit needed a hero created specifically to counter his role due to how much of a privileged fan favourite he is, then out-powercrept to mediocrity, to then buffed literally to be meta amongst the powercrept heroes, and then now reverted 2 of the buffs to be somewhere between previous mediocrity and meta amongst powercrept heroes state (yet to settle on a spot)
is not a good look.
please explain how genji legitimately couldn’t/can’t do his job pre the deflect cancel buff path or now.
emphasis on legitimately because “can’t do [his/her] job” to me from a perspective of a sym main is like
sym’s primary where she doesn’t have the sustain to stay in 12m of the enemy to charge that up to then actually start using it
or sym’s infinite tp change which butchered her engagement and disengagement ability making it really unavailable while her effective range is still low and her being really squishy
i.e. literal holes in their kit i.e. literally can’t do it on their own (not saying w+m1 is sym’s job tho) or inherently really unreasonably inefficient to do their job reasonably.
So yes you were rightfully called out because Genji was nowhere near the same tier as them. Not even close to it.
As for this part
It was a REVERT of a BUFF he got 4 WEEKS before the 4 big buffs. This isn’t some out of left field crazy overnerfing, his fire rate went back to what it was for the last 4 years. He is still 3 buffs stronger than what he was for the last 4 years. He could not have been overnerfed because his kit is FACTUALLY stronger than what he was in the last 4 years.
