Despite being relatively underpowered/not in a good spot (although not on the same level as bastion don’t get me wrong) people still complain daily about him being too strong and wanting to remove him from the game, mostly because these people don’t play Doomfist
thoughts?
He can join the others in the clown car because blizzard probably doesn’t care
He is not underpowered. He has a pretty middle of the pack pick rate in GM and one of the best win rates. He is just poorly designed because he basically relies on either landing instakill combos from rooftops or instantly dying.
Prepare for likely bias: Doomfist is has the best mechanical design in the game. His abilities are his only means of reliable damage/elimations, but also his only escapes. You are FORCED to use skill as doomfist because otherwise you die in every engagement you enter, either through over-comitting, not landing proper combos, or not understanding the gameplay cycle.
The only reason doomfist actually has a middle of the pack pick rate is because dive + reaper/lucio are meta. Otherwise he’d be much lower IMO
The problem with Doomfist is that he is built solely around high burst-damage and boops/CC and that these things also happen to hard-counter him independently.
You just need to wait for Doomfist to use his Uppercut, then you can one-shot him as Widowmaker, you can stun him once he gets near you or you can knock him out of position.
The problem is that it is just as annoying to play Doomfist and get hard-countered by CC/burst damage as it is to play against Doomfist. Literally no-one wins. It’s just bad design all-around.
Reaper is highly effective vs Doomfist…
That has nothing to do with it. The simple truth is that DF yoloing in, dying, and not contributing to the team at all can still get a squishy deleted from Narnia with little warning and/or counterplay, which is a problem; Zen in particular deserves better.
Well seeing that’s the worst playstyle for doom against anyone with half a brain. This is another case of… people not knowing the character.
Also… not instakills lmao.
You can sit there and try to be technical but you and i both know what is meant by that statement. Doomfists combos chain together in ways that give people almost zero time to react before they die.
I’m also well aware of how the hero works. I’ve played against a share of GM/top500 doomfist players before. Obviously diving off of rooftops is not the only thing he does, but his kit revolves around executing him combos or running away. He is the pinnacle of demolishing heroes or feeding ultra hard. There is very rarely an in between for him.
Okay but… that’s incorrect.
You have plenty of time, if not more time than needed to react to a doomfist.
The first part of your post is right. The second part is wrong.
I don’t want anybody’s hero to suck, but Doomfist’s win condition is getting in, killing, and getting out without giving anybody a chance to fight back. If you give him counterplay that is fair to everybody else, he becomes useless.
It’s unfortunate to have such bad design on an otherwise mechanically engaging hero, but his current niche is simply not healthy. Personally I’d like to see him reworked into a more defensive role, but I can understand if people who actually play Doomfist want to keep his “fly off a rooftop and instantly delete the Zen” playstyle… but Doomfist players also need to understand that it allowing that playstyle to be strong isn’t fair to other players.
If doomfist is badly designed, I do not know what widowmaker and sombra are.
Oh and Doomfist,Echo and bastion are currently worse than symmetra.
Saying rollout style is playable is one of the greatest things Ive heard today. Here you dropped your clown mask.
No doubt Support mains want him nerfed or removed since he generally counters Supports.
Tracer gives zen no counter. Tracer gives doomfist no counter. Widowmaker gives no one any counters ( thats why shes played even in dive) . Echo deletes doomfist without any counter. Reaper gives winston no counter. Zen is currently one of the best picks in the game way better than doomfist by a mile. And zen still has way lower average deaths than a doomfist. So I believe doomfist deserves better.
It’s crazy because there’s really only 2 supports he counters.
Lucio/Moira can evade Doomfist but sometimes you have Ana/Zen players who refuse to switch to them since they feel they were downgrading themselves as Brig/Lucio/Moira aren’t skillful as Ana/Zen.
I mean you don’t even need to switch off ana. Sleep dart is like a top 3 hard counter to doomfist. Easy to hit, practically a free kill with a sleeping doom in your backline, and not to mention ana’s jank hitbox helps A LOT when getting combo’d by doom.
The two supports doom counters are Bap and Zen btw. Not ana zen